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That's BS! If that was a drunk driver they would have been charged with vehicular homicide and been locked up for more than 3 yrs. She killed 2 people because she was driving blind while using morphine, and barbs. Don't take me she says to the judge, he should have thrown her in jail right then and there, and for at least 10 yrs.
 

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lubes17319 said:
My #1 reason for staying off the road:
-there are perfectly good trails just over yonder
How do you get, "over yonder?"
 

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How do you get, "over yonder?"
On dirt. Idiots like the woman in the story are the reason I stay off the pavement as much as possible. We may encounter idiots on the trail but they're usually not 64 and on morphine. When I'm driving I realize that I'm surrounded by every kind of person and they all have their own personal reasons for driving like they do. And I never ever want to trust my personal safety while on a bike to any of them. On the trail it's just me and the dirt and if I get injured it's my own dam fault.
 

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Pau11y said:
How do you get, "over yonder?"
Just go down that way, past the old Thompson farm, then go about a country mile.....you'll see it near the place where Jimmy Potter used to dig for dinosaur bones..
 

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Driving is the most dangerous thing we do. Why is it that we don't give up driving when we hear a deadly crash horror story? I for one won't allow fear to run my life.

I'm wondering why the original poster posted this. Do you care so much about me, someone you never met, that you want to convince me not to road ride? Do feel you need to justify your decision not to road ride? Or is there enjoyment at a certain level in sharing a ghastly story?

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Driving is the most dangerous thing we do. Why is it that we don't give up driving when we hear a deadly crash horror story? I for one won't allow fear to run my life.

I'm wondering why the original poster posted this. Do you care so much about me, someone you never met, that you want to convince me not to road ride? Do feel you need to justify your decision not to road ride? Or is there enjoyment at a certain level in sharing a ghastly story?

Msurk
You're wrong on all three counts, Msurk. Try again.
 

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Perhaps the tone of my post above was off. However, the title of the original post gets a road rider wondering why post in this manner? We all know the dangers or road riding and this sad story is bicycle related news. However, it would have been different if the title of the original post was something like, "Be safe out there if you choose to road ride." I ride motorcycles and always wear full gear. When people notice us motorcyclists 9 times out of 10 non-riders begin telling a horror story about how motorcycles are death machines and they would never ride one. After hearing such stories many times you begin wondering why non-riders are telling you this.

Anyway, we know the dangers. If you road ride, be safe.

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There is always reason to be vigilant

EJ & Jayson were "just riding along" when the woman drove through the pack of 5 cyclists, making an illegal left turn (while under the influence) onto the roadway they were just passing...absolutely inexcusable.

Bad timing, absolutely...but there was nothing the riders did that put them in harms way. That's the take-away from the tragedy, that we are vulnerable road users and need to be wary of the situations that we put ourselves in.

The Springs cycling community lost two wonderful young men that day but I would never say to not ride on the road. Education is the key for both motorists and riders alike, we all deserve to use the roads, it's just the we as cyclists fare worst when the tragedy strikes...

With the new Bicycle Safety Bill being passed, we are entering into an age of new rights and protections that we've never had as cyclists on the roadway. Sure, there are folks who just don't and won't feel comfortable cycling on the road but for all those who do, it's a time when our actions will come under greater scrutiny as we "take" more of the roadway that is rightfully ours, I just ask that we all go to great lengths to foster good-will out on the roadways.

As more bikes are on the road, it will become the norm. No, America will never have the riding mode share of Denmark, but we certainly can increase it to a much greater percentage and as we do that, continue to strive for safer conditions for all roadway users.

Pedal on...
 

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There have been two of these

This incident is almost identical in the situation to the one in Lafayette where community icon John Breaux was run down while riding way over on the shoulder of 287 by a 62 year old woman. The rider was in no way at fault, and had no way of avoiding the accident.

In this case, the woman pleaded guilty to criminally negligent homicide, but the prosecutors have recommended PROBATION for the criminal. Sentencing is next month. The perps pictures look eerily similar....

Another example of how this state is phucked.
 

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News Flash! Danger! Warning!

What to do in case of Alien Attack:
1) Hide under the seat of your plane and look away
2) Avoid eye contact
3) If there are no eyes, avoid ALL contact

(USAF Training Film)

Do NOT watch, read or listen to ............anything or anyone. Especially me.

Life and/ or Information is dangerous and can lead to cognitive dissonance.

But, seriously.......

Agreed - this was an avoidable tragedy, in many ways.
Agreed - the punishment seemed lenient.
Agreed -- Life is an exercise in Risk Management.

The Denver Post's coverage was thin and sensationalistic. I'd advise looking at the local papers and the comments posted for a fuller picture.

I have seen some posts in the CS papers that this particular intersection is especially problematic and needs better safety control of it.
One post in particular thought that the riders, though they were within their legal right of way, would have been better served to exercise EXTREME caution at this intersection and yield their right of way to any and all vehicles.

I think everyone can relate a similar experience of being behind the wheel yourself and someone did something boneheadedly dangerous and illegal -- what did you do? Hit them? Get hit BY them?
They were blatantly in the wrong -- you in the right. Thank god YOU were paying attention and were heads up, right?

We all see life through our own lense and make our own choices based on the same information.
Some will choose to never ride on the road. Some will shrug their shoulders and move on. Others will move ahead on the same course with a heightened awareness.

This is no way intended to blame the cyclists or absolve the motorist of one scintilla of responsibility

Being Alive = Risk

On the trail, you are subject to a myriad of risks -- bears, rattlesnakes, cougars, horses, rockfalls, flash floods, hyperthermia, hypothermia, compound fractures, concussions, frame/component failures, collisions with fixed objects and/or other riders, lightning, falling timber, hunters/ shootists, etc...

Do you ride alone? Your risk factor just increased exponentially.

Ain't perception wonderful?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off for a solo ride above timberline -- Do those clouds look nasty to you? Hmmmmmm......
Maybe I'll just surf the couch.

Nahhhhhh!

Happy Trails

Marc
 
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