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More than coincidence....... I wonder what Max Commencal think about that?
 

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Looks like the pivot point is in a completely different place - and the front DR is mounted on the seat-tube, not a "stub".

Looks nice from a distance - not sure I like the hydro-formed top-tube though.
 

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Looks good..

with the short triangle links these bikes use you almost need to map the progression rate to really know how well they work.

The Commencal has the triangulated swingarm which is strong and stiff, and has the push rod that pushes on the triangle link. This linkage has a lot of progression (rising rate).

The DB has a dropout pivot so the push rod is very long. The progression could still be good. The rear end won't be as stiff, look at the funny brace behind the seat tube, there's no other way to put one on there.

Probably the best DB ever made.
 

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Look at the chainstays. On the Commencal they are aligned with the BB. On the DB, not so much.

The Commencal has an *amazing* lack of pedal bob, I think partly because of this, since the chainline has no leverage on the rear cogs.
 

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I can Agree that the Mission is probably the best DB ever made.. although similar in looks to the commencal (really only the triangle shape Bell Crank) the pivots are in different locations. which will have varied effects on the feel of the bike.
 

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Diamondback?

Do people really buy these bikes? I mean when I was a kid Diamondback was the sh!t,Heary Leary was the man,but don't know that I've ever seen anyone(hardcore anyway)on a Diamondback.
 

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CRAZY FRED said:
Do people really buy these bikes? I mean when I was a kid Diamondback was the sh!t,Heary Leary was the man,but don't know that I've ever seen anyone(hardcore anyway)on a Diamondback.
I bought a mission 3. Never again. It rides great but there are plenty of other companies that make great bikes and have the quality and customer service to back up their products. Too many problems with the frame and the company to ever consider another db.
 

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Mission 3 / Meta 5.5

its interesting to read comments from people that really don't understand what they are looking at.. the Commencal and the DB have Similar Profile looks, Sure, but Main Pivot is in such a different location, these bikes will act and react totally different.. also the Mission offers more travel in a simpler (lighter) design. I'm not sure what issue bikinaggie has had with DB or his Mission.. all I can say is I have been riding the Heck out of my Mission, with No issues what so ever, and I live and ride in some of the most demanding terrain. good luck to all who buy a bike from a small builder, from my experience most are over priced and under tested.. My neighbor can weld too, ya know.
 

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The issues I've had are: 1st frame dented, frame sent to me after recall had a float r instead of rp23 and was a medium instead of a large, the frame I have now is covered in small flaws in the aluminum and has loose tolerances that lead to play in the rear end. Hopefully these are isolated issues, but this is the third frame I've had in my possession, and the third frame with issues I cant write off. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the bike rides awesome, but in my experience, does not have the backing of a company I want to deal with. As for the small builder I'm buying from, the transition covert is priced less than the mission it will hopefully be replacing, and has been ridden hard on more gnarly terrain than I'll ever see for a few months. I'll take my chances ;)
 

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Neighbourhood welder?

Whistler steve props to you and he terrain you ride with your mission, but Max Commencal is not exactly your friendly neighbourhood welder. He's actually the guy behing most of Nico Vouilloz's racebikes (you just may have heard of him). The meta linkage was designed by Bossard engineering or BOS (the guy behind mitsubishi Dakar rally winning cars and citroen WRC cars) and the frames are made by Kinesis, the taiwanese factory which makes Kona and Santa Cruz frames, to name just two.
Ride on..
 

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I own a Commencal Meta 5.5 Numero 1 - and was able to do some pre season testing on the diamondback before I made my purchase (end of 06).
Both of the bikes perform, but after having ridden both - the Commencal was a no brainer. It's lighter, faster, less bob, better bump performance... blah blah blah.
The DB looks to be the same as the "Focus" mentioned earlier - check out the pivot above the rear axle (Commencal is a true single pivot - with linkage to lower leverage ratio)
The Lower leverage ratio enables me to ride without pro pedal turned on (I don't even climb with it on).

All in all - you won't get a bad bike with either, I'm pretty aggressive about my riding and like find that the SLACK geometry with super good bump performance was my deciding factor - but I felt that I could pedal the Commencal better than the DB.

Hope this Helps,
Cheers!
 

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zhu said:
Whistler steve props to you and he terrain you ride with your mission, but Max Commencal is not exactly your friendly neighbourhood welder. He's actually the guy behing most of Nico Vouilloz's racebikes (you just may have heard of him). The meta linkage was designed by Bossard engineering or BOS (the guy behind mitsubishi Dakar rally winning cars and citroen WRC cars) and the frames are made by Kinesis, the taiwanese factory which makes Kona and Santa Cruz frames, to name just two.
Ride on..
Steve's comment wasn't directed at Commencal, it was addressed to all the "custom" frame builders who put out sub par work
 

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ZHU is partially Correct, Commencal's are not made at Kinesis, they are made at a factory called ORA in Taiwan, also Kinesis does not make Santa Cruz models anymore.. Santa Cruz moved on a few years ago. Kona's are made at Hodaka. Ride on!
 

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iirc correctly santa cruz bikes are made by apro i think it is which is a company owned by giant, spez and kona and norco also come out of that factory altho not all of them. i still thought santa cruz was made in usa bit of a con really since as in the uk the prices havent changed!
 
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