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hi Traildoc

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It may be better to talk privately. The amount of profanity, references to bestiality, and the level of insults and threats that have been recorded on the forum have been extreme, and have been noted.

The day you chose to post the names of our private roads you chose to become responsible, both ethically and legally, for any and all bike/biker activity in this community. The day after trash was scattered at the head of the road, I saw a police car here so it is possible that one of the neighbors has already called them. There have been 30 bikes here in the last couple days.

At this point, we have had harassment by cars with bikes on them, and vandalism in our community, all as a response to a simple, respectful request to avoid trespassing on our private property. Three sets of legally posted no trespassing signs are being ignored by bikers who come onto our roads, and have been ignored repeatedly by you, as has been stated.

One (or two) of your community members actually took the time to call the FS and the city of Sedona, and then posted that indeed, these roads are private, (owned completely by the residents) and there is no FS trail access or public easement through this community. Last Sunday about a dozen bikes used the road, at a speed so fast a resident said they couldn’t even be counted accurately. This is extremely dangerous in a private, equestrian community. And the responsibility for anything that happens here is at least partly yours, TD.

So we ask you, is it in your best interest, or the interest of the biking community, to have this matter possibly become public in the Red Rock News, or for you and the local bike shops to have to personally deal with the police if our private property continues to be trespassed upon, or further violated? We would rather not have this issue escalate to this level, so we ask you, what steps need to be taken now to get the word out that Color Cove is private and the residents require this to be honored?

How do we get our Road off the underground trail maps that shops give out?

And the biggest question: Are you willing to advise the biking community in at least some manner that doesn't interfere with your credibility with them, to honor our private property and discontinue illegal trespassing, and remove any posts that direct people into our community? And discontinue bringing riders here?

An ambassador by definition promotes good will between people. How can you best serve this role?

Your post:

If in fact Color Cove lives at #85 Color Cove from what I can ascertain from Google Maps he lives up the road from where we ride our bikes. That is at least a plus since we aren't constantly in his face.

I am not sure how he accesses the surrounding dirt trail system, but I am assuming (if he doesn't have social access out his back door or somewhre close to his house) he might ride down Color Cove Rd. 500 plus yards to Coyote Pass Rd. where he hangs a right and rides another 200 plus yards to the start of the dirt trail system.

Also, the protocols you requested to help horses and bikes have safe encounters are great for those who live here and read them, and who actually care about each others safety (which quite a few on the forum have said they don't, with great disrespect). But they do no good when bike shops and forums and individuals such as yourself send tourists directly into our private equestrian community through underground maps, posts, group rides, and GPS systems, people who have not had such an education and may have never ridden with horses.

Thank you,
Color Cove Residents
 

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I think I would like to know more of the back story on this situation.
So, I will insert a meaning less post here, in that I can have all future posts sent directly to my phone.

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Color Cove:

Just for the record I am a self-apointed ammbassador to Sedona Mountain biking I am not a policeman. My mission is to promote Sedona mountain biking so the world will know what a great mountain biking destination Sedona is. I am trying to increase tourism in Sedona. You being an elitist probably don't want to see anymore people coming to Sedona.

Today I did a hike out by the Cultural Park and there were about 25 horse trailers parked at the end of the Cultural Center parking lot. Not sure why they were all there, but I assume it was to get together as a group and go out for a ride.

While I was walking down the trail dodging piles of fresh manure I thought to myself no big deal we can all co-exist togther. I came across a couple coming the opposite direction with two kids and said where are the equestrians, they said just follow the horses.it and you will find them.

You need to get busy and put in that gate you were talking about. If you think I can keep people from riding their bikes through Color Cove you are mistaken. Just like I can't keep a bunch of equestrian from parking in the Cultural Center and deposting horse manure all over the Girdner trail.

Hope that helps,

TD
 

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Maybe somewhere this info is out there, but I've always imagined CC as a lady (from when the threads started )
 

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Jayem said:
Maybe somewhere this info is out there, but I've always imagined CC as a lady (from when the threads started )
Jayem:

I know you come over from Prescott to ride some of our World Class trails, if it is too wet or snowy in Prescott, so if for some reason Color Cove is on your list of trails to ride please DELETE it from your list. We have over 135 trails to ride in Sedona and staying out of Color Cove is not going to ruin your riding experience.

If you have Girdner on your list you might consider staying off that trail while all the horse manure dries out.

TD
 

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I actually took a picture of CC last weekend so i could alert the Prescott Mountain Bike Alliance and Raven Collective. Unfortunately the pic didn't turn out. I figured there were enough world class trails without having to use CC, although I've never been on CC in my life.
 

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I have never ridden CC, but I respect their right to enforce no trespassing on their property. But at the same time I have encountered numerous horse riders on trails all over Arizona, and most of the time I get attitude from them for riding too fast around the corner because it scares horses, even though as soon as I see them I hit my brakes. A little mutual respect would go a long way, unfortunately most of them have this attitude like they own every trail in the world.
 

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Don't Ride Through Color Cove!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Color Cove:

Since you have indicated you may contact the Red Rock News about my failure to stop all biking trespassing in Color Cove, I became very concerned. Since you have a lot of personal information about me I have taken your PM very seriously and called my attorney.

You are probably aware I work at the Sedona Burger King as the assistant manager. If Ron (manager) and Olga (cashier) find out that I have not taken you seriously they my contact the owner and have me fired. I need this job very badly. I purchased a home in Sedona with no money down two years ago and now my home is worth $150,000 less then I paid for it. I am barely making the $3,500 a month in payments and if I lose my job I will lose the house of my dreams. I will then probably have to move in with my 89 year old mom and my bipolar brother and his two biploar sons.

Being that is the case my attorney advised me to put the frequent MTBR viewers (rockman, rancho66, sintori, cakewalk, zul, Durtgurl, motochick, chalkpaw, RandyBoy, Jayem, helimech, notanob, Color Cove, Pitch, urbanseeds, Fox402, Tosh, Elvota, bWu, LowDesertRider, AKA Monkeybutt, azwilder, Gaelon, K3N, mtbkracr, Tree_Dodger, bigworm520, Iceman69, wolverine85929, AzFlapjack, Chaseco, lomarker, campy3, Duncan2W1, _dragon, ajmelin, 56baja, dunerinaz, genny1, vincentzoo, kelstr, desert flyer, sparky09, NMPhi767, longhairmike, The Royal We, danomack, Dirt Head, joey daigneault, mcoplea, randyharris, canyondave, EJC, [email protected], AZBob, hoosker, dsittman, Fletch 1, dhana, -Chainslap-, brokenSaddle, jdub347, cm374, jesterspaw, Cenobite39, azepicriderandrunner, Azufa, fire, BigBadConrad, skinny-tire, santan, Silver_Slug, ajcroft, SHOWLOW SAM, dlloyd, climinsimon, xx2525, TacoBeer, seandm, RobZona, hcarreathers, tpvet73, LCdaveH, dfrazm, FATTRAXX, Crash2Much, Bill-, ripley, skimbom, CAB, cjaghblb, hatedg) on notice that they SHOULD NOT RIDE THROUGH COLOR COVE it is posted as Private Property.

Also those riders who are dumping garbage in front of your and your nieghbors houses I wish them ten years bad luck. Feel free to put up a new No Trespassing sign stating NO TRESPASSING PER THE TRAILDOC.

Hope that helps. Please don't contact the Red Rock News that would really do me in.

TD
 

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Color Cove:

Just for the record I am a self-apointed ammbassador to Sedona Mountain biking I am not a policeman. My mission is to promote Sedona mountain biking so the world will know what a great mountain biking destination Sedona is. I am trying to increase tourism in Sedona. You being an elitist probably don't want to see anymore people coming to Sedona.

Today I did a hike out by the Cultural Park and there were about 25 horse trailers parked at the end of the Cultural Center parking lot. Not sure why they were all there, but I assume it was to get together as a group and go out for a ride.

While I was walking down the trail dodging piles of fresh manure I thought to myself no big deal we can all co-exist togther. I came across a couple coming the opposite direction with two kids and said where are the equestrians, they said just follow the horses.it and you will find them.

You need to get busy and put in that gate you were talking about. If you think I can keep people from riding their bikes through Color Cove you are mistaken. Just like I can't keep a bunch of equestrian from parking in the Cultural Center and deposting horse manure all over the Girdner trail.

Hope that helps,

TD
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traildoc said:
Dear Color Cove:

Since you have indicated you may contact the Red Rock News about my failure to stop all biking trespassing in Color Cove, I became very concerned. Since you have a lot of personal information about me I have taken your PM very seriously and called my attorney.

You are probably aware I work at the Sedona Burger King as the assistant manager. If Ron (manager) and Olga (cashier) find out that I have not taken you seriously they my contact the owner and have me fired. I need this job very badly. I purchased a home in Sedona with no money down two years ago and now my home is worth $150,000 less then I paid for it. I am barely making the $3,500 a month in payments and if I lose my job I will lose the house of my dreams. I will then probably have to move in with my 89 year old mom and my bipolar brother and his two biploar sons.

Being that is the case my attorney advised me to put the frequent MTBR viewers (rockman, rancho66, sintori, cakewalk, zul, Durtgurl, motochick, chalkpaw, RandyBoy, Jayem, helimech, notanob, Color Cove, Pitch, urbanseeds, Fox402, Tosh, Elvota, bWu, LowDesertRider, AKA Monkeybutt, azwilder, Gaelon, K3N, mtbkracr, Tree_Dodger, bigworm520, Iceman69, wolverine85929, AzFlapjack, Chaseco, lomarker, campy3, Duncan2W1, _dragon, ajmelin, 56baja, dunerinaz, genny1, vincentzoo, kelstr, desert flyer, sparky09, NMPhi767, longhairmike, The Royal We, danomack, Dirt Head, joey daigneault, mcoplea, randyharris, canyondave, EJC, [email protected], AZBob, hoosker, dsittman, Fletch 1, dhana, -Chainslap-, brokenSaddle, jdub347, cm374, jesterspaw, Cenobite39, azepicriderandrunner, Azufa, fire, BigBadConrad, skinny-tire, santan, Silver_Slug, ajcroft, SHOWLOW SAM, dlloyd, climinsimon, xx2525, TacoBeer, seandm, RobZona, hcarreathers, tpvet73, LCdaveH, dfrazm, FATTRAXX, Crash2Much, Bill-, ripley, skimbom, CAB, cjaghblb, hatedg) on notice that they SHOULD NOT RIDE THROUGH COLOR COVE it is posted as Private Property.

Also those riders who are dumping garbage in front of your and your nieghbors houses I wish them ten years bad luck. Feel free to put up a new No Trespassing sign stating NO TRESPASSING PER THE TRAILDOC.

Hope that helps. Please don't contact the Red Rock News that would really do me in.

TD
When children act like children its cute, when adults act like children its gross. (I'm saying that you, traildoc, are acting like a child and that it is gross.) Thanks for the work you do in Sedona but seriously guy what are you doing?
 

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Bawahahaha good for you..... Eff everyone that is so
PC, CC is being a dillhole and should STFU
 

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When children act like children its cute, when adults act like children its gross. (I'm saying that you, traildoc, are acting like a child and that it is gross.) Thanks for the work you do in Sedona but seriously guy what are you doing?
Ranger:

Can you be more specific as to where I am acting like a child. This is the internet where discussion may lead to future problem solutions. How would you keep riders out of Color Cove? If you don't have a solution that works than I think you may be off base.

Looking for your solution. I have indicated a gate is the only solution what is yours?

TD
 

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private messages are just that private..........The problem is this should have never gotten to this point .Any advertisement is good advertisement. I had never heard of this CC or small connector trails around the area . But now I do. Will I ever go thru the trouble of tresspassing to access sedona trails? Nope

IMO the proper thing when all this came up was to acknowledge the issue ,appologize(even if it nothing that involved you) and say you will pass the word. That is all that could be done. This all has turned into a big stinky pile of " " :rolleyes:
 

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traildoc said:
Dear Color Cove:

You are probably aware I work at the Sedona Burger King as the assistant manager. If Ron (manager) and Olga (cashier) find out that I have not taken you seriously they my contact the owner and have me fired. I need this job very badly. I purchased a home in Sedona with no money down two years ago and now my home is worth $150,000 less then I paid for it. I am barely making the $3,500 a month in payments and if I lose my job I will lose the house of my dreams. I will then probably have to move in with my 89 year old mom and my bipolar brother and his two biploar sons.
Here's a recent photo of TD.

 

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Wow! I never heard of or been to this CC in Sedona and I was put on notice. That is not the right way to try and solve an issue and far as I'm concerned is only making things worse. If the community of CC wants to keep bikers out then why don't they build a gate, put up permanent signs or get together as a community and do some trail work that will deter mountain bikers altogether. I know I don't ride through area's with thick uncleared Cholla cactus, thorns or deep sand. otherwise it sounds like one person has an issue and wants the trail all to themselves. What if someone who lives there invites thier friends over to ride? They have that right? I hope.
 

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If it's that much of an issue, they need to close the social trail down that leads to CC. It is MUCH easier to remove a trail than it is to build one. This is the responsibility of the CC residents though, they need to step up and fix this. As long as there is a social trail, they are encouraging users to enter their neighborhood.
 

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Jayem said:
If it's that much of an issue, they need to close the social trail down that leads to CC. It is MUCH easier to remove a trail than it is to build one. This is the responsibility of the CC residents though, they need to step up and fix this. As long as there is a social trail, they are encouraging users to enter their neighborhood.
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Wait, this isn't one of those stupid troll things is it? Was I trolled? if so this is the best one yet.
 

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i know it makes me sound like a child... but that CC's email (and i never would) makes me really want to go dump on his driveway. nothing is worse than elitists, in any aspect of life.
 
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