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Preaching to the Choir, I know........

Somewhat disheartening to see the damage inflicted by some careless, selfish, inconsiderate, and ignorant boneheads from last weekend.

It rained steadily on sunday and it looks like a whole cavalry of riders laid waste to the place.

So, it's only fireroad you say.

Not exactly. As I was climbing, I could not help it, but cringe at what the trail might look like once I finally got on it. And, sure enough....the trail proper, also got worked. The fireroad? Big deal...but, I could tell by the amount of damage where these A-holes were headed.

These tracks have already hardened up and if we don't get any more rain this winter...it'll probably look this way for a good long while.

Here's the thing.....there's a handful of us that put in quite a bit of shovel time...and it's just a huge downer to see what a few chuckle heads with a disproportionate sense of entitlement, can do in just one day.

Unlikely that anyone reading this thread would pull this crap. But, if you were riding in east county, last sunday, in the rain...YOU SUCK!

In the immortal words of Pete Townshend..."Why should I care...Why should I care?"
 

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yeah, I saw trucks parked under the bridge Sunday as I went by, and it rained out here all day long. All I could think was "...geezzzz.."...
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* it still surprises me how many still don't get it. I'm just disappointed that so many just don't care...
That's been the problem at this spot for many, many years...
 

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saw the same thing here in Tucson last weekend...didn't have a camera...

it rains about 6 days out of the year here...and the ground is CLAY...and it takes about 4 minutes for the trails to dry when the sun comes out...

and yet i was riding through HUGE RUTS!!! :eek::rolleyes::madmax:

WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE????

whew...ok...end of rant...:rant:
 

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dusthuffer said:
honestly, I don't get it. This is nothing worth writing about, if the pics are typical of the damage. Who cares, that's sand.
what's not to get? this is like MTB 101. maybe you like railing thorugh choppy ruts? :rolleyes:

1,200 posts and you don't get it? why don't you buy a clue and re-learn the basics of mountain biking and taking care of a trail.

#3 on the IMBA Responsible Riding Tips -
Say No To Mud - Riding a muddy trail can cause unnecessary trail widening and erosion that may lead to long-lasting damage.
 

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dusthuffer said:
Who cares, that's sand.
except where it's not, which is most everywhere.

the only place in southern California that has truly sandy trails is the area between the Pacific Ocean and The Pacific coast Highway. Everywhere else has a whole lot of clay............

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I remember seeing this post on STR: http://www.socaltrailriders.org/forum/trailhead/14484-chula-vista-bonita-sunday-ride-san-diego.html

You have to read through the thread a little to get to the part where a group starts to organize a ride on ATT. I was a little surprised to see folks organizing a ride on ATT in the rain on a public forum, but obviously not everyone shares the same values concerning riding trails in the rain/mud. It was 100% clear it was going to rain Sunday as it had already started Saturday night when the posts were still happening.
 

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Kristatos said:
I remember seeing this post on STR: http://www.socaltrailriders.org/forum/trailhead/14484-chula-vista-bonita-sunday-ride-san-diego.html

You have to read through the thread a little to get to the part where a group starts to organize a ride on ATT. I was a little surprised to see folks organizing a ride on ATT in the rain on a public forum, but obviously not everyone shares the same values concerning riding trails in the rain/mud. It was 100% clear it was going to rain Sunday as it had already started Saturday night when the posts were still happening.
K:

Thank you for finding that link.

I know those guys and I'll just say this(to them). You guys are experienced and well respected riders in the local MTB community. That said, you guys know better.

Just a suggestion...the next time it's raining as much as it did last sunday, stay on your own local trails(south Bay) and EFF them up.

Someone who frequents STR, would you please link this thread?

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i was *going* to go with that group, but i never did make it out last weekend. I'm guilty of riding ATT in the rain and post rain in the past. in fact, i've seen aqua out there shovel in hand building stuff during those conditions and stopped to chat. you didn't seem upset by me riding there so i was surprised to see this thread. i've always regarded anderson as one of those places people agree can be ridden in the rain much of that opinion has came from reading countless threads about places you can ride in the rain in the sd area.

to be honest, those pics don't really look to bad. i can understand the issue of a trail widening because of people riding around a puddle, but i always am a bit baffled by tread imprints left in dirt being a big problem. but, judging from what aqua said in his post and as well as he knows that place, i guess i have to change my outlook on riding there when it's wet.
 

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danlorek said:
i was *going* to go with that group, but i never did make it out last weekend. I'm guilty of riding ATT in the rain and post rain in the past. in fact, i've seen aqua out there shovel in hand building stuff during those conditions and stopped to chat. you didn't seem upset by me riding there so i was surprised to see this thread. i've always regarded anderson as one of those places people agree can be ridden in the rain much of that opinion has came from reading countless threads about places you can ride in the rain in the sd area.

to be honest, those pics don't really look to bad. i can understand the issue of a trail widening because of people riding around a puddle, but i always am a bit baffled by tread imprints left in dirt being a big problem. but, judging from what aqua said in his post and as well as he knows that place, i guess i have to change my outlook on riding there when it's wet.
Dan:

What's up? Hey man, thanks for chiming in.

I think it comes down to common sense ( of which is not so common any longer). Locally, most people know which trails hold up well after a rain. When it's raining that much and for that duration, as it did last sunday, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know better and to stay off.

A lot of ATT is comprised of decomposed granite and holds up exceedingly well (even while raining). But, when you start approaching the 4 corners area the soil composition turns to clay based. If a substantial amount of rain has fallen, that area quickly turns into a greasy, slimy mess. I would recommend going no further than "Rest Rock" and then 180' ing it if conditions are dicey.

If you'll recall, I did not have my bike with me that rainy day. Often times if it's raining, I will hike in with my shovel and do work/repairs.

Last sunday, I also wanted to ride. I woke up and saw how much rain was coming down and the forecast called for continued rain throughout the day. So, instead I rode the couch.

Those pictures may not convey the scope of what I saw...But, you know how pics often don't translate well. Of all the years I've ridden there, I haven't seen this much of a mess, made post rain.

It was a weak act to be riding in those conditions.
 

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Yea, I got ya Aqua. DL, I'm in agreement with Aqua on this one too. You can ride up to "pistachio point" (ya like that?) real soon after a rain but to try and rail the top right after or during a rain is not a considerate or smart move.

Let's hope this is not the end of the rain for the year so at least the ruts can be erased and start anew.
 

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what's not to get? this is like MTB 101. maybe you like railing thorugh choppy ruts? :rolleyes:

1,200 posts and you don't get it? why don't you buy a clue and re-learn the basics of mountain biking and taking care of a trail..
Seriously, can't you read? The pics showed a huge, graded wide fireroad and a deep sandy corner. If you want to see trail destruction come up to ventura county. They really mess things up here.
 

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That stinks. I hate those crusty ruts. I haven't ridden dirt for about the last 4-5 weekends. I finally rode my local little Black Mtn. this morning, which is virtually all rock. It's amazing how squishy the mountain bike feels after riding nothing but a road bike for weeks... Love it!
 

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Aqua,

Were the pictures you posted actually fire roads or are these groomed trails that have grown? They look like fire roads to me. So that puts me in the "don't care" category. Gigantic big-arse bulldozers grade these every year or two. A few bike tire marks are not going to make any difference.

The second picture you post shows deep drainage ruts indicating this has not been graded in a while, and there are a bunch of little bike induced ruts on the surface of the fire road around these deep ruts. If I'm riding along that trail, my eyes are gonna be on that big problem on the left and not the little problems on the right.

I'm all for saving single track since that is truly rare in Socal. But count me out of any new "save the fire roads" campaign. Fire roads are general access for everyone at all times.

This is a general-usage world, and there are way too many elitists trying to make everything match to their particular viewpoint. Equestrians want the entire world for horses. MTB purists want the entire world for single-track rides. Downies want the entire world to be a jump range with tricks at every corner. Tree-huggers want foot traffic only everywhere. There can and should be places for all of these activities. But the fire roads are general public and should not be subject of your specific preservation desires.

I'm like you and like to take a light tread on the world (try to do no harm). But let's let fire roads be fire roads. :D
 

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You should see the massive damage to the mesa area at Sycamore Canyon (SD)...what was 8 to 10 inches wide is now 10 - 15 feet wide.

All because some riders don't want to muddy their "sweet" rides.
 

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This topic has been touched on time and time again over the years. But it never fails there is always a group of morons that hit the trails during and right after a rain storm. Some of you look at Aqua as he is stating something not worth talking about. But in actualality this is IMO one of the most important topics to discuss here. These morans that have this "who cares" attitude are the ones who are going to be responsible for getting all our beloved trails shut down to MTBRS. Someone stated that at least the equestrians stayed away. No [email protected] this is one of the reasons the equestrians and hikers hate us MTBRS. Because there is a select group of idiots in our sport that have that "who cares"attitude. And this attitude seems to be getting more and more frequent as the years go by." Watch out it's my trail move aside". We all need to get a clue and turn this trend around.
 
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