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wow! I totally didnt see that coming! So you could have a fully useable mountain goat in california yuppie paint scheme for $1500? thats so cool 
I guess I should direct this question to Jeff, but I'll ask here anyway. How much additional would it cost to have forks sprayed to match the frame?
I guess I should direct this question to Jeff, but I'll ask here anyway. How much additional would it cost to have forks sprayed to match the frame?
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Cat is out of the bag....
Wasn't 100% ready to "go public" yet but I cleaned up the web site a little bit more this morning so it is close. Still working on Whiskey 29" and Road Goat frame details but the basics will be the same as the WTR. The tubing is in, geometry is set, deposit sent, torches are being fired up......first five WTR 26" frames are in process. I am sending mine to Russ to get the orange/green team splatter (just seems right somehow?) and am checking on getting the fork painted at the same time.
When you guys check out the web site, let me know if there are any errors or if something needs more work. Should be fun!!
Wasn't 100% ready to "go public" yet but I cleaned up the web site a little bit more this morning so it is close. Still working on Whiskey 29" and Road Goat frame details but the basics will be the same as the WTR. The tubing is in, geometry is set, deposit sent, torches are being fired up......first five WTR 26" frames are in process. I am sending mine to Russ to get the orange/green team splatter (just seems right somehow?) and am checking on getting the fork painted at the same time.
When you guys check out the web site, let me know if there are any errors or if something needs more work. Should be fun!!
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Hi Jeff,
confidential info leaked early yeh? such is the way of the "net"
website looks pretty good, the only minor area of slight confusion was the sizing (probabily just for me, I seem to be on a month long limited sleep, "daddy is it christmas yet" groundhog day..)
is the seatube sizing centre to centre or centre to top? Actual top tube length, is that assuming level top tube & if so whats the top tube slope.. etc?
The text mentions built around 80mm forks, any plans to do 100mm? or is that part of the custom build price?
Please post up pics (when you have them) of 1 of the first batch WTR really looking forward to seeing one
confidential info leaked early yeh? such is the way of the "net"
website looks pretty good, the only minor area of slight confusion was the sizing (probabily just for me, I seem to be on a month long limited sleep, "daddy is it christmas yet" groundhog day..)
is the seatube sizing centre to centre or centre to top? Actual top tube length, is that assuming level top tube & if so whats the top tube slope.. etc?
The text mentions built around 80mm forks, any plans to do 100mm? or is that part of the custom build price?
Please post up pics (when you have them) of 1 of the first batch WTR
really looking forward to seeing one
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details, details
Yeah, we are still ironing out some of the details. I have changed some stuff on the web site to hopefully clarify some of the details.
Remember that we also have a full custom program so if you want to design your own, we can do it.
If you guys have questions, please let me know.
See ya
Yeah, we are still ironing out some of the details. I have changed some stuff on the web site to hopefully clarify some of the details.
Remember that we also have a full custom program so if you want to design your own, we can do it.
If you guys have questions, please let me know.
See ya
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please
don't make a singlespeed.. keep it classic. there's enough singlespeeds out there and geared hardtails are treated like old, stinky trash.
ps: please... no EBBs and no 150 bolts slidin drop outs. those things are regressive, heavy, clunky, stone age stupid and a derrailleur is a thing of beauty.
keep it like that and i'll forget about those weird disc brake mounts.
don't make a singlespeed.. keep it classic. there's enough singlespeeds out there and geared hardtails are treated like old, stinky trash.
ps: please... no EBBs and no 150 bolts slidin drop outs. those things are regressive, heavy, clunky, stone age stupid and a derrailleur is a thing of beauty.
keep it like that and i'll forget about those weird disc brake mounts.
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We had contemplated a single speed but don't plan on doing one unless it is a special order. I am not personally too fond of EBB's but I guess they do have a purpose, I just don't like them.
The 29" drop outs are to be able to accomodate the wishbone stays, we need the extra length. The Salsa drop outs on the WTR allow us to do either canti or disc mounts with the same drop out.
What I would like to do is offer a classic-flavored bike that will work with modern components. So many of the older frames still have life left in them but don't work with disc brakes, 1 1/8" forks, 80mm forks.....kinda like the new Mustang. It has a nod towards the classic design that most people love, but all of the modern conveniences.
I just hope that there are enough like-minded folks out there to make it fly!
We had contemplated a single speed but don't plan on doing one unless it is a special order. I am not personally too fond of EBB's but I guess they do have a purpose, I just don't like them.
The 29" drop outs are to be able to accomodate the wishbone stays, we need the extra length. The Salsa drop outs on the WTR allow us to do either canti or disc mounts with the same drop out.
What I would like to do is offer a classic-flavored bike that will work with modern components. So many of the older frames still have life left in them but don't work with disc brakes, 1 1/8" forks, 80mm forks.....kinda like the new Mustang. It has a nod towards the classic design that most people love, but all of the modern conveniences.
I just hope that there are enough like-minded folks out there to make it fly!
deluxe in the mix for the future?
Jeff,
Nice to see a classic reborn. Now where's the Deluxe? Would love to see this beauty rise like the phoenix again.
Are the original cast seat clusters still available or is this the sticking point on bringing the Deluxe back?
As Scant said, the notion of a deluxe with california yuppie makes me all warm and fuzzy.
cheers,
rody
Jeff,
Nice to see a classic reborn. Now where's the Deluxe? Would love to see this beauty rise like the phoenix again.
Are the original cast seat clusters still available or is this the sticking point on bringing the Deluxe back?
As Scant said, the notion of a deluxe with california yuppie makes me all warm and fuzzy.
cheers,
rody
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We need pictures of this baby!
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We are taking this one step at a time and will watch to see where the demand lays. It started with doing a few 26" Whiskeytown Racer frames and get the name out to see where to go next. Originally, it might have been a single speed but the 29" guys made it known that the 29" should be next. A road frame was pretty easy, so we did it at the same time.
Just the effort to find a builder willing to tackle the project, get decals made, spec the frame geometry, put together parts packages, make tubing choices, decide on color options, pricing........is a little overwhelming to start with. Throw in the guy who wants a fillet brazed Delxue, 29" full suspension, single speed frame with California Yuppie paint with custom stem and color matched fork and it gets even tougher!
Things like the Deluxe and rigid Goat fork require much more work and will have even smaller markets. I would guess that a Deluxe frame, similar to the original, would run about $2,500 with standard paint. Don't know how many folks are goin to step up to that one? The Goat forks are cool but pretty flexible (especially with 29" or suspension correct lengths) and only set up for 1" steerer tubes. To go 1 1/8" requires a whole new crown, more cost.....is it worth it? I don't know.
You guys will determine where this adventure leads by buying stuff. If there is a market, we will try to fill it so let me know whatcha think.
We are taking this one step at a time and will watch to see where the demand lays. It started with doing a few 26" Whiskeytown Racer frames and get the name out to see where to go next. Originally, it might have been a single speed but the 29" guys made it known that the 29" should be next. A road frame was pretty easy, so we did it at the same time.
Just the effort to find a builder willing to tackle the project, get decals made, spec the frame geometry, put together parts packages, make tubing choices, decide on color options, pricing........is a little overwhelming to start with. Throw in the guy who wants a fillet brazed Delxue, 29" full suspension, single speed frame with California Yuppie paint with custom stem and color matched fork and it gets even tougher!
Things like the Deluxe and rigid Goat fork require much more work and will have even smaller markets. I would guess that a Deluxe frame, similar to the original, would run about $2,500 with standard paint. Don't know how many folks are goin to step up to that one? The Goat forks are cool but pretty flexible (especially with 29" or suspension correct lengths) and only set up for 1" steerer tubes. To go 1 1/8" requires a whole new crown, more cost.....is it worth it? I don't know.
You guys will determine where this adventure leads by buying stuff. If there is a market, we will try to fill it so let me know whatcha think.
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I didn't want to name names but now that you mention it......I was thinking of you when I wrote that.Rumpfy said:That sounds like something I'd say.
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The Route 66 could be the new Route 29(or Whiskey Town Racer 29). Yeah, its still an MTB more than it is a high end hybrid, but you can put ANY 700 tire on it you want. It'll certainly be a very capable bike. I know my 29er feels at home anywhere I ride it.
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Route 29 - 66
And remember, we also offer a full custome program so while I don't plan on offering a specific Rout 66 bike, one can be made. Russ is going to do paint for us so he can even duplicate the Route 66 red/white/blue paint.
Yeah, the 29" wheel bike will be a pretty versatile bike. I do like the Route 29 name to tie in with the old Route 66 bike so I think we will change the name.~martini~ said:
And remember, we also offer a full custome program so while I don't plan on offering a specific Rout 66 bike, one can be made. Russ is going to do paint for us so he can even duplicate the Route 66 red/white/blue paint.
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Route 29 it is
I liked the suggestion so much, we officially changed the name to Route 29. Anybody else got and good ideas???
I liked the suggestion so much, we officially changed the name to Route 29. Anybody else got and good ideas???
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