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OK, given the other China carbon thread is already confusing enough with both a mix of hardtails and dual suspension xc bikes, I kind of thought it might be an idea to start a separate thread for the new AM bikes that are starting to appear, thanks natron5000 for that early find.

As usual there seem to be lots of sellers already trying to promote a product they don't have their hands on and seem to have even less information about. Hong -Fu's FB page don't really seem to answer any important questions so I tried my luck with their proper site and was surprised how quickly I got the following information. Sorry, I have been sitting on this for a couple of days not wanting to make public emails but hey, there really is interest picking up on that other thread and I figure it will be available publicly soon anyway.

What I have so far
FM-336
Frame is designed for a 150mm fork (A-C on geo chart below)
Shock is a 200 x 50.8 but I can't get a firm "it is a 150mm rear travel bike"
Sizes range from 15.5" to 20.5" but "now only 15.5 and 17.5 in producing"
Frame weight on a 17.5 is 2649 gm but no confirmation on whether or not this includes hanger and rear axle.
Price, well lets just say it is more than the xc frames (sorry, that one I am keeping quiet) but I will say that I think by the time it is delivered and you fit a quality shock with hardware it will be north of $1400
petepeterson has got that it will be a BB92, I didn't think to ask.

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Let the "its a copy of x" discussions begin

Maybe the mods can move the previous comments about this frame made in this thread over here?
 

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Like someone else said looks similar to a pivot mach 5.7....I like it
 

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Hey guys - I live in China and am currently working with a local bike factory on a carbon hardtail frame and some carbon wheels . . . .

Anyway if you guys want to put together a list of questions that have not been able to get answered and i can try to help get more information.

I am going to pick up some parts Saturday afternoon so I will at least see if they have this frame available.

jeff
 

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A Pivot Chinese carbon knockoff... Interesting

Wonder how they'll get around the dual-link patents in the US?

440mm/17.3" chainstay... assuming it's a 650b?
 

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If the patents where not filed in China they can not be enforced on the manufacture of products in China - probable just be limited to getting them to stop the sell in US market (but would be tough to enforce in small volume). Actually if the patents where not filed in China, then one of the local manufacturers can patent them in PRC and then block any other manufatucturer (even the orginal patent devloper!) from being able to manufacture and export from China. . . . Similar to what just happened to Tesla
 

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A Pivot Chinese carbon knockoff... Interesting

Wonder how they'll get around the dual-link patents in the US?

440mm/17.3" chainstay... assuming it's a 650b?
No problem. That's why you already see lots of dual link bikes in the US. DW is very specific about wheel path. A slightly different wheel path and it's okay. VPP is about counter rotating links. If they swing the same direction it's okay.
 

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Trap- google hong fu bikes

Does anyone know when they plan to make the larger sizes? Also does HF give anytype of warranty on their frames and wheelsets? I got a.price from xmi for the ip 156 the other dual sus 650b frame and was quoted 600$ flat. OP do you really think the 336 frame will be almost double the price? Seems a little steep, I definitely want to pick up a L/XL frame ASAP and slowly build it up.
 

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The IP-156 is basically a Scott knock off... Linkage driven SP.

This, being a dual link, I'm sure is more complex to manufacture. The IP-156 (and other variants... 036, etc) aren't know for the tightest bearing interfaces and bearing area QC. The dual link design is going to demand very strict/tight tolerances... This is intriguing
 

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They said this will be available in november. Ill be snapping one up as soon as they are available. I have a XMI IP-106 and its build quality was great so I feel good about this I think. Will wait for more info but pretty sure Im going down this road when its available.
 

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OP do you really think the 336 frame will be almost double the price? Seems a little steep, I definitely want to pick up a L/XL frame ASAP and slowly build it up.
No, it's not double but you still have to buy a rear shock which is why I said about $1400 depending on which shock you get. Let it put to you this way, if you put a fox on it it will probably be under $1400, if you put a ccdb on it then it will probably be more than $1400.

Andyfloyd is right with delivery times, I was told 45 - 60 days after payment which would be around November, not sure on the larger two sizes though, maybe a Christmas present? ;)
 
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