CCDB on the moment

calvinstoney said:

Agree CCDB gets some awesome reviews, but they also say that you have to really take the time to tweak it out. I just don't like all the adjustments. I would be lost with High and low speed compression and rebound. Most folks that I have seen absolutely love the shock have it on a VPP suspension bike, I guess it compensates for some of the bad things that happen on this design.

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I moved from a Push'd DHX to a CCDB on a linkage-actuated single pivot 6" bike.

If you aren't comfortable with 4 adjustments (HSC, LSC, HSR, LSR), then what are you going to do with the DHX (BO, PP, R) - that is ONLY one less adjustment?

Really, the CCDB has a recommended setting and people tweak to their liking from there. I set mine up and have only tweaked a couple of things...

The CCDB is incredibly controlled compared to the DHX - much less spikey due to the better control of oil flow.

I'd suggest downloading the manual for it and reading that, as it provides a lot of insight into how shocks work period.

and as for CCDB on VPP-there is no getting around the lack of small bump compliance generated by the stiffening of the suspension due to chain forces.

I probably messed up some concept above...but it is time for me to go to lunch! Latah.

CharacterZero said:

Now, I understand the AVY is a kick ass shock, and if I could have found one for cheap, I woulda bought it, but both the AVY and the Elka lack HSR/LSR adjustment - they are both dependent upon a speed-sensitive shim for that distinction. Of course, they both have BO control which the CCDB doesn't have dedicated...so there are always trade offs.

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The Avy does lack a HSR adjustment, but it most definitely has a LSR adjustment, and the knob most definitely controls LSR and not HSR. There isn't that huge overlap in the HSR/LSR circuts like there is with Fox products, which means when you adjust the rebound you are actually doing something that doesn't destroy the HSR action.

My point being that even if you go "max" on the LSR, it doesn't destroy the overall rebound. To be fair, the CCDB is dependant on a spring-controlled valve for the HSR, essentially the same as anything else, but yes, you can adjust the preload on that spring. I think you are assuming that the HSR needs to be adjusted or changed, I guess it's possible that it might have to be modified, but that is pretty rare. The "overlap" is what seems to make the Fox stuff poor. Adjust low-speed control (propedal) and it is harsh everywhere, adjust more rebound and it packs up at speed, that's the difference between Fox stuff and quality stuff.

The DHX, valved by push, was NOT really limited by the flow when they were doing the original "race" tune (before the MX tune). This tune gutted the shock and removed the propedal adjustment, but too many people wanted to retain the propedal adjustment, for whatever reason. Leaving that valve in was what contributed to some of the spiking, but this WAS addressed by push...just overridden by consumers