I believe the effective fit of these 2 frames in small and medium will actually be quite close. The small has a 22.6 TT but also has 74.5 seat tube angle. The medium has a 23.2 TT but with a 73.5 seat tube angle. This change is good for about a cm which pretty much accounts for the .6 in difference. This should actually put you in pretty much the same effective riding position.
I have a Niner hardtail in small and notice basically the same thing going from their small to medium frames. So Cloxxi is correct -if you want a faster handling frame, go medium. If you want things more stable, go small. I know someone else on this forum who is my same height, yet rides a medium niner since it speeds up the front end without any real change in handling (standover changes, but that's mostly it).
Rear view mirror? Cause I often ride my bike on the road to commute into town. I only use one main bike. I want to know who is coming up from behind. Also out on the trail you can monitor who is behind you and if they are gaining or falling back.
I believe the effective fit of these 2 frames in small and medium will actually be quite close. The small has a 22.6 TT but also has 74.5 seat tube angle. The medium has a 23.2 TT but with a 73.5 seat tube angle. This change is good for about a cm which pretty much accounts for the .6 in difference. This should actually put you in pretty much the same effective riding position.
I have a Niner hardtail in small and notice basically the same thing going from their small to medium frames. So Cloxxi is correct -if you want a faster handling frame, go medium. If you want things more stable, go small. I know someone else on this forum who is my same height, yet rides a medium niner since it speeds up the front end without any real change in handling (standover changes, but that's mostly it).
It's a little early in the morning for all these numbers but wouldn't a steeper seat angle actually make for a shorter top tube? Also don't you have to take into account the steeper head tube angle when you move up into size as well?
I don't think I want a steeper seat tube because I already have my seat slid back most of the way. I think I would sit too far forward on a small with respect to the pedals.
wouldn't a steeper seat angle actually make for a shorter top tube? Also don't you have to take into account the steeper head tube angle when you move up into size as well?
a steeper seat tube angle moves the seat further forward in relation to the BB. So the top tube origin is further towards the front of the bike. So lets put it this way - a steep STA tends to lengthen the reach to the bars compared to a shallow STA if the seat remains in the same spot over the BB.
I don't think I want a steeper seat tube because I already have my seat slid back most of the way. I think I would sit too far forward on a small with respect to the pedals.[/QUOTE said:
This might very well be the case if you went to a small - one option would be a laid back post though. Not mocking your fit or frame choice at all, just my opinion that both frames could probalb y fit a person of your (and my) size equally. Since I like slack bikes, I may have gone small.
Glad you like yours and would love more input on ride tests as you log more miles!
Seriously, you would need their large frame. What size frame and brand do you ride now? Any idea of effective top tube?
A friend came into town yesterday and he wanted to ride so I let him borrow my canzo. He is 5'10 inch with a 30 inch inseam. The medium in my opinion was too small for him. I went with a medium because that is what size my Dambala was. I have my saddle back on the rails and am running a normal size stem. I would like to try a small for comparison. My old KHS 4 bar is sized similarly to their small and I feel a little cramped on it. Another factor is the BB height is 1/2 inch higher on their medium vs their small.
The bike just rips. I have quite a few rides on it now and it is the most capable trail bike I have ever owned. Fast narrow single track littered with chicken heads are no problem even sitting down and hammering. I am running my reba at 100mm and it matches the rear end very nicely. I don't think I would want a longer travel fork.
Seriously, you would need their large frame. What size frame and brand do you ride now? Any idea of effective top tube?
A friend came into town yesterday and he wanted to ride so I let him borrow my canzo. He is 5'10 inch with a 30 inch inseam. The medium in my opinion was too small for him. I went with a medium because that is what size my Dambala was. I have my saddle back on the rails and am running a normal size stem. I would like to try a small for comparison. My old KHS 4 bar is sized similarly to their small and I feel a little cramped on it. Another factor is the BB height is 1/2 inch higher on their medium vs their small.
The bike just rips. I have quite a few rides on it now and it is the most capable trail bike I have ever owned. Fast narrow single track littered with chicken heads are no problem even sitting down and hammering. I am running my reba at 100mm and it matches the rear end very nicely. I don't think I would want a longer travel fork.
seems like a pretty good endorsement for the frame.
my curent ride is 20" Inbred(26"), ett is abt 600mm. Have you ever ridden any other 29er FS? for comparisons of course
seems like a pretty good endorsement for the frame.
my curent ride is 20" Inbred(26"), ett is abt 600mm. Have you ever ridden any other 29er FS? for comparisons of course
I have ridden my friends Monk which was much too large for me so I can't comment on it too much. I think the Canzo rear end is a little tighter side to side and with the rear shock lock out more versatile.
Similar rear suspension to the Ventana and Turner but a lot less money. I guess it depends on your budget. Slightly shorter chainstays than either if that is important to you. It has to be the best bang for the buck in the 29er FS field imo.
If money were no object I would probably look at the Sultan because of their pivot system that is user servicable.
I do like the cable routing on the Canzo. Under the top tube and zip tie fittings to run hydralics for the rear brake or full housing for mechanical discs, which I run.
Are you saying that's too short or too long? If memory serves, that 17.9" for the Voodoo is shorter than Intense, Lenzsport, Ellsworth, Turner, etc ... and equal to Niner specs.
I just measured my Canzo's chainstays. Real bad news! 18.25 inches. I guess I was fooling myself thinking that it was a good climber
I would say if you want real short chainstays stick with a 26er or a 69er. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. I have spent the last few days riding my 26er FS vs. my Canzo and I feel the Canzo climbs better with less rear wheel slippage in spite of the 1 and 1/4 inch longer chainstays.
I just measured my Canzo's chainstays. Real bad news! 18.25 inches. I guess I was fooling myself thinking that it was a good climber
I would say if you want real short chainstays stick with a 26er or a 69er. Personally I don't see what the big deal is. I have spent the last few days riding my 26er FS vs. my Canzo and I feel the Canzo climbs better with less rear wheel slippage in spite of the 1 and 1/4 inch longer chainstays.
My 26er FS will turn tighter but since that is so little of what I do, I don't consider it an advantage. We have some tight stuff but for the most part it is fast and flowing and a longer wheelbase and the bigger tires work so much better for me than my shorter wheelbase smaller wheeled 26er.
Out east it might be a different story. Where I life we often times have 3 to 6+ mile uphills followed by miles of downhill.
The long chainstays wouldn't be so good here on the East Coast IMO. Also they'd suck when trying to manual up onto rocks and also for wheelie dropping off of rocks (and we've got lots of rocks like that around these parts.).
The long chainstays wouldn't be so good here on the East Coast IMO. Also they'd suck when trying to manual up onto rocks and also for wheelie dropping off of rocks (and we've got lots of rocks like that around these parts.).
I have ridden my friends Monk which was much too large for me so I can't comment on it too much. I think the Canzo rear end is a little tighter side to side and with the rear shock lock out more versatile.
Similar rear suspension to the Ventana and Turner but a lot less money. I guess it depends on your budget. Slightly shorter chainstays than either if that is important to you. It has to be the best bang for the buck in the 29er FS field imo.
If money were no object I would probably look at the Sultan because of their pivot system that is user servicable.
I do like the cable routing on the Canzo. Under the top tube and zip tie fittings to run hydralics for the rear brake or full housing for mechanical discs, which I run.
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