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Looks like Cannondale updated their website.
http://www.cannondale.com/
http://www.cannondale.com/
Cannondale Website Update
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Yeah....."updated" alright....they're still trying to keep the fact from potential buyers that they're making their bikes in Asia.....Duncan1104 said:
Nowhere on the website they mention it...matter of fact they're lying:
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"Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company operates subsidiaries in Holland, Switzerland, Japan, and Australia, and is owned by Dorel Industries Ltd. (TSX: DII.A, DII.B
>"Screw them and their new line up!
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If my bike says "Handmade in USA" surely it must be. Are the new models going to be missing that monniker?
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Yep they are.BritOnTour said:
But, now they started to put "Handmade in USA" decals on the lefties.....they never did that before....but your average Joe thinks the whole bike is still made here that way...It's like a made in China Rolls Royce with a "Handmade in Great Britain" steering wheel.
And Yes. Other Manufacturers post the fact where they're bikes are made on their websites.....Like "Designed in USA manufactured in our High Tech factory Taichung, Taiwan"
This is ******** and of course I haven't received an answer from cannondale about this either.
Like I said they're trying hard to misinform folks....
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Not mentioning it at all and straight forward lie about it is 2 different pair of shoes my friend.jason.R said:
Other manufacturers I have considered for my future bike do tell you made in Taiwan on their websites.
German bike brand BIONICON actually did not post anything on their website but replied to my e-mail within a few days with a loooooooooong sob story why they can't make them in Germany any longer....
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What's the problem with a bike made in Asia -- aside from ecological issues?
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aside from the origin of production, i noticed yesterday, that the "archive" link didn't exist. i was about to ask about the reason and the website update.
bottom line: cannondale website sucks worse than before.
bottom line: cannondale website sucks worse than before.
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I like to support local industry. Whether it's the LBS, or a company that uses local labor to make stuff, it doesn't matter. It's good for our economyfatredcircle said:
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My suggestion to you, given your obvious feelings, is to change your user name to remove all hit of Cannondale, and to never come back to a Cannondale forum because only people with Made In The USA Cdales are worthy of you. I would also infer from your opinion of the current Cdale that, should on elf your bikes need warranty work, you would no let the Asian Cdale touch it.cdalemaniac said:
Seriously though all this anti Cdale because they moved their manufacturing over seas baffles me. Why hate so much over this? If people hate it this much they should sell their bikes and buy a different brand. I for one was very sad to see Cdale send their manufacturing over seas. It is purely business though, and mainly related to tax burden and labor costs. Carbon molded frames are very low tech labor intesive to get from mold to final paint, and the labor costs here to sand frames etc is just way to high to compete. If we had slightly better taxes on corporations here this may never have happened. My question to all of these people complaining about Cannondale so vehemently, are you voting for lower corporate taxes and less regulation, etc? If not you helped cause their departure.
The real question is "Would you rather have just seen them go out of business all together?", or be bought by a company who left them with only a name, like Klien and Gary Fisher have suffered? I personally like this solution, they are building better bikes, are still a great company dong thing the way we have always expected them to.
I also have several Cdales, some USA and some Asian. I can say the Asian ones are as nice as any Cdales I have ever had, and I have had Cdales since 1998. Most Treks are made in Asian and have been for some time, all the Gary Fishers are.....are there any "A" brands made in the USA? My 2009 Made in the USA SuperSix (one of the very last produced) is very nice and I love it. I will also say the Asian made SuperSix's have better QC (decals are straight, water bottle braze-on's are in straight, etc), and are a slight improvement over mine. My Asian made Slice blew my USA made TTX away, and is a class leading TT bike. My USA Made 2010 Flash 29'er is wonderful, and my Asian made 2011 Jekyll is STUNNING! The SuperSix, SuperX, Jekyll, Flash Carbon, Flash Carbon 29'er, Flash 29'er, Slice, CAAD10 all dominate their respective categories, and are coming from Cdale's Asian facilities. Other than the obvious and painful production delays ... which many others manufactured have had the last few years including Trek, Specialized, Scott, Giant, Cervelo...I would say Cannondale has further improved their position in the market since moving production to Asian. Also, many of the best carbon bikes on the planet come from Asia. BMC is in Europe, Trek OCLV is in the USA and the rest are.....IN ASIA! And the LEFTY'S ARE MADE IN THE USA! Only a MORRON would think the whole bike is based on a sticker on a fork.
Ok my rant is done. People just need to ride more and complain about things they have no control over less, especially when the end result it a company that is still around, is growing, still has their creative freedom, and is producing class leading bikes in many classes, IMHO.
And now back to our regularly scheduled programing.
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So you really think that?Duc Hunter said:
Go to a bike shop and watch.....especially folks that don't know jack about bikes.....this discussion was not about why and who outsources my friend!
Maybe you didn't comprehend that cannondale claims their bikes being USA made on their website although they are not......and I know the lefties are still made here and always were hence the reason I compared it with a China made Rolls Royce with a "Handmade in GB" decal on the steering wheel....
Why would they put that decal on the fork other than for false advertisement?
They always used to be made here, but now that they cannot say that for their frames any longer so they just slap a decal on the fork and lie to customers on our webpage about the bikes country of origin.
BTW. I had cannondale's since 1991/92 so don't try to treat me like a dumb, biased kid that doesn't know anything but what's going on within the borders of my trailer park.....
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decal indeed!cdalemaniac said:
i think you'll find it's an engraved walnut panel.
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I may be stepping back into it here but.....YES I DO! If a bike shop employee misleads a customer that is the bike shops issue. If that customer is ignorant and not properly researching a major purchase then they get what they deserve.cdalemaniac said:
Bottom-line, they build great bikes, they do design, develop, & produce bikes in Bedford, PA. The bikes they have produced after their purchase by Dorel are innovative, amazing, and right inline with all of their past glory's. They label their bikes and part that are Made In the USA as such, while also labeling their Asian made bikes with their country of manufacture. Now read on if you really want to go in the weeds.
My hope brakes don't say Made in GB on them anywhere. My Fox forks an DYAD RT2 shock give no hint to where they were made either. This should also cause you a big issue, if you logic is consistent, as you seem to be arguing that manufacturers must clearly state where their products are made. You also should have savaged Trek, as many of their bikes say something like "designed and assembled in the USA". Likewise all their bikes use to be made in the USA, and they do not clearly mark the non USA made bikes with their true country of origin.
As for your assertion that Cannondale is misleading people with their statement ""Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company operates subsidiaries in Holland, Switzerland, Japan, and Australia, and is owned by Dorel Industries Ltd." This is true, they do all of those things. In modern times, Peter Denk (Jekyll designer, along with many of Cannondlaes current line) could design bikes from a Starbucks anywhere on the planet. I know because I can work from anywhere as I travel. So where is the bike really designed? Where the company the signs his check is HQ'd? And before anyone goes bananas, he is paid by Dorel's wholly owns and independently operated company called Cannondale.
Anyway, do we need to list the location that the majority of the design work was completed? What about development? The Jekyll was developed int eh USA, South America, Europe...everywhere the riders like CVD tok the prototypes for testing. All the bikes i the USA are assembled in Bedford, from parts from all over, as my Jekyll and Slice were. Should Cannondale follow Trek's idea and sticker them "Designed and Assembled in the USA"? If we really follow you logic then most Treks, and Specialized, and others should really be stickered "Made By Giant Bicycles in Asia for ..." because Giant manufactures the vast majority of Asian made bikes. Cannondale however, because of their relationship to Dorel, does not have to use Giant.My Flash was made in Bedford. The Flash that just came into my LBS says "Made in the USA" on the seat stays. Now my Jekyll does not say Made In The USA, it does say under the BB Made In China. So does my Slice.
My bigger point though is WHO CARES? They are great bikes, with great design and have carried on the lineage of the USA made Cannondales of yester-year. . I also go back to my point before, would these Cannondale haters be happier if Cannondale had just stayed in the USA and gone broke and was no longer around? No one says yes to that, but the logic of their arguments lead to that direction. Would they be happier if Cannondale had gone the route of Klien & Gary Fisher bikes in being bought by a company (Trek) and then basically outsourced to Asian production and totally losing all of their interesting character (Fisher's recent 29'er bikes aside). Would they be happier if they had gone the route of Ibis, being sold to a USA group who runs them into the ground and almost closing them down? Ibis is back, and a good company, but is still a shell of the company they once were and their rear suspension is basically bought from another company. No one says this was the route Cannondale should have taken.
I understand the passion about the Made In The USA moniker for Cannondale. They were a small American bike company that was successful in Europe and the European peloton long before Trek (think the Big Red Train). But times move on, and our economic policy's in the USA have force many companies like Cannondale and Trek to move production over seas to compete with of shore bike companies. I am glad Cannondale is still around, still innovative, still being "Cannondale". I am also voting for people and policies that would enable them to bring production home, and have been for years. Being positive is much harder than being negative. I choose to be positive about Cannondale, and their future. Lastly, I ride the crap out of my Cannondale's and can gladly recommend them to anyone who asks. All of these things will help Cannondale's future. If you love and have such passion for a company, as everyone here is expressing, those are some things you can do that will help. Hammering the company constantly and being negative is easy and only serves to hurt the company you supposedly to love.
Now I am going to go enjoy a Cannondale that was "Made In The USA", my SuperSix, while reminiscing about eh weekend I spend on my "Designed, tested, developed and assembled in the USA, with a frame made in China, brakes made in GB, groupo made in various countries in Asia (XX), wheels built by me in the USA, with hubs made in the USA (Chris King), seat made in Italy (FIZIK), and a brass bell made in Japan" while being very glad it is not so labeled because I would not like to ride a bike that looks like a newspaper because of all the labeling some people seem to want. :nono:
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Shining the light of day on darkness only serves to highlight the truth. :thumbsup:HAL 9000 said:
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....said the master troll himself as his young padawan is trying to follow his foot stepsHAL 9000 said:
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Your "Logic" doesn't make any sense...oh well.... if that's the "thinking" of the majority of folks in the USA I'm not surprised it's going down the drain so fast...Duc Hunter said:I may be stepping back into it here but.....YES I DO! If a bike shop employee misleads a customer that is the bike shops issue. If that customer is ignorant and not properly researching a major purchase then they get what they deserve.
Bottom-line, they build great bikes, they do design, develop, & produce bikes in Bedford, PA. The bikes they have produced after their purchase by Dorel are innovative, amazing, and right inline with all of their past glory's. They label their bikes and part that are Made In the USA as such, while also labeling their Asian made bikes with their country of manufacture. Now read on if you really want to go in the weeds.
Your "logic" doesn't make any sense.....the only "new" information i got out of it is that the new jekyll is made in China and not Taiwan....
My hope brakes don't say Made in GB on them anywhere. My Fox forks an DYAD RT2 shock give no hint to where they were made either. This should also cause you a big issue, if you logic is consistent, as you seem to be arguing that manufacturers must clearly state where their products are made. You also should have savaged Trek, as many of their bikes say something like "designed and assembled in the USA". Likewise all their bikes use to be made in the USA, and they do not clearly mark the non USA made bikes with their true country of origin.
As for your assertion that Cannondale is misleading people with their statement ""Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company operates subsidiaries in Holland, Switzerland, Japan, and Australia, and is owned by Dorel Industries Ltd." This is true, they do all of those things. In modern times, Peter Denk (Jekyll designer, along with many of Cannondlaes current line) could design bikes from a Starbucks anywhere on the planet. I know because I can work from anywhere as I travel. So where is the bike really designed? Where the company the signs his check is HQ'd? And before anyone goes bananas, he is paid by Dorel's wholly owns and independently operated company called Cannondale.
My Flash was made in Bedford. The Flash that just came into my LBS says "Made in the USA" on the seat stays. Now my Jekyll does not say Made In The USA, it does say under the BB Made In China. So does my Slice.
My bigger point though is WHO CARES? They are great bikes, with great design and have carried on the lineage of the USA made Cannondales of yester-year. . I also go back to my point before, would these Cannondale haters be happier if Cannondale had just stayed in the USA and gone broke and was no longer around? No one says yes to that, but the logic of their arguments lead to that direction. Would they be happier if Cannondale had gone the route of Klien & Gary Fisher bikes in being bought by a company (Trek) and then basically outsourced to Asian production and totally losing all of their interesting character (Fisher's recent 29'er bikes aside). Would they be happier if they had gone the route of Ibis, being sold to a USA group who runs them into the ground and almost closing them down? Ibis is back, and a good company, but is still a shell of the company they once were and their rear suspension is basically bought from another company. No one says this was the route Cannondale should have taken.
I understand the passion about the Made In The USA moniker for Cannondale. They were a small American bike company that was successful in Europe and the European peloton long before Trek (think the Big Red Train). But times move on, and our economic policy's in the USA have force many companies like Cannondale and Trek to move production over seas to compete with of shore bike companies. I am glad Cannondale is still around, still innovative, still being "Cannondale". I am also voting for people and policies that would enable them to bring production home, and have been for years. Being positive is much harder than being negative. I choose to be positive about Cannondale, and their future. Lastly, I ride the crap out of my Cannondale's and can gladly recommend them to anyone who asks. All of these things will help Cannondale's future. If you love and have such passion for a company, as everyone here is expressing, those are some things you can do that will help. Hammering the company constantly and being negative is easy and only serves to hurt the company you supposedly to love.
Now I am going to go enjoy a Cannondale that was "Made In The USA", my SuperSix, while reminiscing about eh weekend I spend on my "Designed, tested, developed and assembled in the USA, with a frame made in China, brakes made in GB, groupo made in various countries in Asia (XX), wheels built by me in the USA, with hubs made in the USA (Chris King), seat made in Italy (FIZIK), and a brass bell made in Japan" while being very glad it is not so labeled because I would not like to ride a bike that looks like a newspaper because of all the labeling some people seem to want. :nono:
The only useful info I got out of your exceptionally well written "I don't give a $hit where things are made" post is the fact that the new Jekyll is made in China and not Taiwan....
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I miss the archives (too). Glad I PDFed the geos of my bikes.
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