[PizzaMan]

OK, I read that 06' frames would be anodized. Also read that there will be a 100$ upcharge for PC.
Why is that ?
Is that the same PC as the current (silver) spots?
Can a currently PC'd spot be refurbished to the new finish (=anodized) ??
A smooth ano. Spot would be cool

 

[smudge]

OK, I read that 06' frames would be anodized. Also read that there will be a 100$ upcharge for PC.
Why is that ?
Is that the same PC as the current (silver) spots?
Can a currently PC'd spot be refurbished to the new finish (=anodized) ??
A smooth ano. Spot would be cool

Just taking a wild swing at it here...

SAPA (the actual builder) does anodizing in house. It's a pretty inexpensive job (per piece) to anodize a batch of frames. You basically have to clean the frames (a chemical dip), ensure a good connection and give 'em a dip for a specific period of time.

I'm not sure where Turner gets their PC; I don't think SAPA does it. PC'd frames typically need more attention in terms of prep before the finish is applied. Ideally, you don't want a layer of plastic put on your BB threads or making it's way into the bushing seats or you're just going to have to cut it all back out.

The price difference could possibly explain the difference between the in-house processing vs. sending them out for another process (which would require an additional packaging step as well as the prep work.)

 

[Mr Pink]

How come 2004 frames had problems with the anodize and now its ok?Any pictures of the new frames?

 

[MK_]

There's more to anodizing than just dipping it in etchant and then in the ano bath. You have to clean the frame off any welding residue. You have to make sure the surface is smooth, etc. Ideally you polish the frame, not mirror polish, but a prett good polish. You then dip it in etchant to remove the native oxide from aluminum before you go on to create your own colorful one in the ano bath.

_MK

 

[turnerbikes]

ano info

Yes an old painted frame can be anodized. It needs to be chemically stripped of paint, closely checked to see if all the paint is removed from tight areas. Then hand polished, then ball burnised than dipped, then anodized. If anyone would like to do this we can give you the #'s to the SoCal vendors for each of these steps.

In most cases anyone that wants a color other than the 2 offered on the Flux, Spot and RFX or the polished Gold of the Nitrous will be painted over the ano, so we have to recoup some $ for the double finish. Our plan is to stock 75% of the bikes in the primary ano color that from historical data we know will sell the best. Like a black Spot or dark grey RFX, the remainder will be stocked in the optional colors, like blue for Spot, green for RFX and burnt orange for Flux. Yes the painting will be done Olympic Powder Coating, they use the same brands of powder and state of the art ovens that anyone in the industry uses. There will be 10 optional paint colors.

The anodizing that we are doing now will be done in SoCal. The Highline will be dipped and black ano for the secondary finish. That leaves a rough, mill finish under the black ano. It does have a bit of shine, this is for those that do not want the raw look and there is no paint option for the Highline. The Nitrous, Flux, Spot and RFX will be hand polished to smooth out the mill and production marks, then it will be ball burnished at another facility so that the whole surface has the same texture as the hand polishing cannot get into all the tighter spots with the buffing wheels, than it will be lightly cleaned and anodized. At this time it is the only way we can accurately anodize frames without risking large #'s of fall out.

SAPA does not do painting in house. We had frames painted in Oregon a couple years ago and we are still trying to live down the reputation of that lesser quality paint vendor.
SAPA does anodizing, but they do not have polishing, so we are doing the whole process in SoCal.

We will get pictures of the samples up very soon.

DT

 

[Bikezilla]

edit...nm DT's got it covered.

 

[Unknownrash]

We had frames painted in Oregon a couple years go and we are still trying to live down the reputation of that lesser quality paint vendor.
SAPA does anodizing, but they do not have polishing, so we are doing the whole process in SoCal.

We will get pictures of the samples up very soon.

DT

Dave, does this lesser quality paint job apply to the 04 Burners? The black paint seems to scratch super easy and seems very dull to me, at least on my bike. Thanks.

 

[Mr Pink]

Any chance of a 5 Spot in burnt orange?

 

[FM]

I just called Turner and got some answers straight from Jarret and Greg. I appreciate the time they spent with me, I'm posting the important bits to hopefully save them some redundant phone calls and confusion amongst customers.

The chemical etching process is what can screw up the tolerances on a frame. My understanding from Gregg is that frames that have been previously painted do not need to be etched- only stripped, burnished, polished and then anodized. Frames that have been previously anodized (or perhaps shot-peened?) need to be chemically etched and this is where there may be a %25 chance that your pivots will come out of tolerance. So if you are interested in doing the smooth ano finish (like the new frames) on a frame that was previously PC'd, it should be OK!

The whole process could take up to 4 weeks since it needs to through 4 different processes supplied by three vendors. The prices Gregg had were pretty reasonable, but only ballaprk since I would be going directly to the vendors and not getting bulk discount, pre-arranged transpo from one vendor to the next, etc.

These are my recolections from the conversation and I do plan to verify all this with the individual vendors before going through with the process, especially the part about not needing etching. Hopefully this helps, DT if I am wrong on any info here please feel free to correct me.

 

[mtn hack]

The prices Gregg had were pretty reasonable, but only ballaprk since I would be going directly to the vendors and not getting bulk discount, pre-arranged transpo from one vendor to the next, etc.
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And what would that ballpark be?

 

[The Squeaky Wheel]

4 weeks?

Yikes.

Ano is cool but turnaround with a spiffy new custom PC job can be done much quicker through Spectrum Powderworks. And they even do flames...are you listening Cheezy ?

But I wonder if they can do a cool drip ano like Ells is doing on their new frames.

 

[xjbebop]

I'm sure you could get any color/design you want ...all it takes is money...

 

[cactuscorn]

ya know....

im wonderin how cool it would look to anno the rear black to match the rockers and the 66 rc. i do have all winter afterall.

 

[PSI]

...will be painted over the ano,

I have an 04 anodized spot thats kinda bang up already . eventually i will want to renew the paint. from what you said above, i understand that it is possible to powder coat over ano without stripping. correct?

 

[mtn hack]

I have an 04 anodized spot thats kinda bang up already . eventually i will want to renew the paint. from what you said above, i understand that it is possible to powder coat over ano without stripping. correct?

Uggh. Why would you want to put a finsh that is so fragile like powder coat over the much more durable annodized?

 

[PSI]

Uggh. Why would you want to put a finsh that is so fragile like powder coat over the much more durable annodized?

cost and availability?

 

[CDtofer]

Anno the legs of the fork first!

Cactus,
Just a suggestion - paint, anno, or otherwise change the color of your fork first. Use a permanent black marker or electrical tape even. Anything to change the color of that fork before you spend any money on changing the color of that shiny new rear end.

Its your bike and all and I dont mean to be harsh, but you gotta do something about the smurfmobile. I only feel I can comment because you have drawn everyone on the board into this project of yours. Im diggin the blue, but that fork needs to be black or silver (or maybe even custom painted to match the blue? Leave the center raw as is???) Just trying to save you getting a ticket from the fashion police thats all.

 

[cactuscorn]

in cuffs already

oh, i feel ya cd. i feel ya for sure! this one is a '02 i picked up on ebay for a totally diff project but it ended up on here first. its temp till i can swing a newer 5" bomber or pike perhaps. ive considered gettin a can of krylon and goin to town. i thought of doin a color matched powder coat job or maybe black but reconsidered since it wont be here too long. looks alot like a '97 dbr v link pro doesnt it? yelch! now for 6" mode, it gets this little black xc fork shown beside 2 similar models i was lookin at.

 

[CDtofer]

Okay, gotcha...

Actually after posting I saw your forks on the other thread. Yep, that big black one will do the trick (Did I just say that?)

Seriously, it will look much more [email protected] then. I just was cautioning against coloring the rear end, I think it look pretty sweet as is. Especially since I saw your Beefy wheelset has got silver rims on it. I think once you set it up in 6 inch mode it will look pretty killer.

Cant wait to see the pics, since you are always involving us with the set up. Seeing your other Turners alltogether makes me think you need to have this set up as a 6 inch rig. You already have a capable all day, epic ride in the Flux...

 

[FM]

And what would that ballpark be?

somewhere between $150 and $400, not including shipping, stickers&pivots, disassembly, etc. The frame would need to change hands 4 times in socal, I am not sure how this works re:shipping/transportation since turner would not be involved. The ballpark thing is since turner isn't sure what the rates would be for single frames, as they do bulk orders. I have a call into the main vendor to get more details.