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Who's running one on their Bro and besides slacking the front end some, what does it do to the seat tuble angle, BB and wheelbase? I assume it steepens the STA and lowers the BB a smidge (how much?), while lengthening the wheelbase a fair bit more.

After a 2 month delay, I finally got my Bronson and this thing rips trail pretty darn nicely. To make it perfect for me, I would like to slack the front end a bit more, steepen the back end and lower the BB some. Hoping an angleset will accomplish this all to some degree. I know the Nomad3 does all of this, but don't want the extra travel or that slack of a front end as I already have a Banshee Rune with same geometry as well (65 front, 73.5 rear, 13.4" BB). Thanks!
 

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Also looking to do the same with a works headset -1 and would be interested in some feed back if it's worth doing


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Also looking to do the same with a works headset -1 and would be interested in some feed back if it's worth doing


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That would be nice, especially as alternative to a CC one. Love how the Bronson rides, but perfect aggro trail bike for me would have 66 deg front, 74 deg rear, 13.3" BB max, 5.5-6" max travel on 650b wheels and carbon frame with solid pivots/grease ports. Basically Banshee Spitfire or Knolly Warden travel and geometry on SC chassis would be sweet!
 

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I've got the Works -1.5°. I'm happy with it for the type of riding I do. It's also dead silent unlike the Cane Creek. I also considered the offset bushings but it does slightly alter the suspension leverage curve and may also result in some rubbing of the rear tire on the seat tube. I would say that climbing is a bit more difficult with the angleset and 160mm fork, but worth it for me.
 

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I have a works headset on another bike and it is great. It does add stack height under the head tube and weight. I've used the offset bushing as well. The offset bushing are much more subtle change. For instance, two offset bushing give only a fraction of the slackening effect compared to a -1.5 headset. If you want a significant change, I would try the headset.
 

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+1 on the Works (mine is -1), a lot better in terms of maintenance/adjustment/creaking over the Cane Creek. -1.5 would have probably been a better call for the trails I ride in hindsight.
 

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I have a works headset on another bike and it is great. It does add stack height under the head tube and weight. I've used the offset bushing as well. The offset bushing are much more subtle change. For instance, two offset bushing give only a fraction of the slackening effect compared to a -1.5 headset. If you want a significant change, I would try the headset.
Thanks all, very helpful. Only after subtle changes, don't need the bike to be really slack, so -1.0 degree would be max. Who makes the offset bushings for the CTD shock and this frame. Sounds like the offset bushings only slacken the front end a bit (0.5 degree), but what about the BB, STA, WB? Any changes there?
 

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Thanks all, very helpful. Only after subtle changes, don't need the bike to be really slack, so -1.0 degree would be max. Who makes the offset bushings for the CTD shock and this frame. Sounds like the offset bushings only slacken the front end a bit (0.5 degree), but what about the BB, STA, WB? Any changes there?
BB will be lower, STA slacker. I don't know about WB but not much change there I don't think?
 

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I was planning on doing the Works version as I love it on my 6 Point BUT... the Bronson requires an external lower cup to pull it off and would actually RAISE the BB by about 4-5mm as I recall. Something I wasn't willing to do as mine is already lifted some by going with a 160mm fork and I feel it's too high as is. The Nomad is looking dialed as I wanted shorter CS's too. A cross between the Nomad and Bronson is what I was really after and looks like the newly released Tracer 275 may be it!

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I'm running a Cane Creek Angleset -1* on my Bronson with a 150mm Pike. I built it up this way from the beginning so I can't offer any comparisons vs. a standard headset. The bike feels very dialed with this set-up. No excessive wandering on climbs and don't feel under-gunned on the steeps. I'm coming off a bigger, slacker bike (Intense Uzzi w/ Totem) and wanted a somewhat similar trail feel - mission accomplished. I would echo what others have said about going with a Works Components headset. The Cane Creek is not the best design. After a lot of fussing I've gotten mine to be mostly quiet but what a PITA that was. A long, drawn out way of saying go for it!
 

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I was planning on doing the Works version as I love it on my 6 Point BUT... the Bronson requires an external lower cup to pull it off and would actually RAISE the BB by about 4-5mm as I recall. Something I wasn't willing to do as mine is already lifted some by going with a 160mm fork and I feel it's too high as is. The Nomad is looking dialed as I wanted shorter CS's too. A cross between the Nomad and Bronson is what I was really after and looks like the newly released Tracer 275 may be it!

Have FUN!

G MAN
Is the lower external cup of Works angleset much higher than the standard CC external cup? I think the CC external cup is like 13mm stack height. If Works is much taller than that, than no bueno for me. I actually rode the Bro last night with fork lowered to 120 on fast, smooth, twisty, dual slalom'ish turns for a bit lower center of gravity (lower BB) and bike did pretty well (hugged the turns better), despite the much steeper front end. If this bike was about 1 degree slacker up front (66), 1 degree steeper out back (74) and 1/3" lower (13.2") with smidge shorter rear stay, bike would be a total trail slayer. Everything else about the bike is pretty much bang on. Did I say how fast this thing rides, accelerates (sprints) and rails and carries speed like a MoFo! Yes, I agree the Tracer 275 looks good spec/geometry wise as well since I think the Nomad is too long (wheel base) and too much travel for flowy, twisty, jumpy trail slaying.
 

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I'm running a Cane Creek Angleset -1* on my Bronson with a 150mm Pike. I built it up this way from the beginning so I can't offer any comparisons vs. a standard headset. The bike feels very dialed with this set-up. No excessive wandering on climbs and don't feel under-gunned on the steeps. I'm coming off a bigger, slacker bike (Intense Uzzi w/ Totem) and wanted a somewhat similar trail feel - mission accomplished. I would echo what others have said about going with a Works Components headset. The Cane Creek is not the best design. After a lot of fussing I've gotten mine to be mostly quiet but what a PITA that was. A long, drawn out way of saying go for it!
Go for the Works or the Cane Creek? I like the stack height and pricing better of CC, but don't want to fiddle if it requires multiple re-adjustment and finagling to get it right.
 

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Tip for the Cane Creek Angleset: Apply layer of the Santa Cruz provided Marine Grease under the gimbals, overtighten and then back down to a point where the handlebar turns normally. This has worked for me, no knocking sound in fast rough trail sections.
 

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Works/Angleset has 2mm higher stack height than regular headset.

1 degree will:
- steepen seat by about 0.3 degree
- BB only drops by a few mm and then raised by stack so a wash
- WB lengthened by about 0.2" maybe little more

Bushing:
- drop BB more
- slacken seat
- WB stays about the same
 

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Works lower cups are 15mm and CC regular headset lower cups are 12mm so... 3mm height difference which is offset by the slacker angle so should be close. I kind of like the idea of running a 26" rear with a big tire (Big Betty 2.4) for shuttle days; may have to try that as the outer circumference won't be that much different!

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I need lower (especially with a taller fork) so not an option. I kind of like the idea of running a 26" rear with a big tire (Big Betty 2.4) for shuttle days; may have to try that as the outer circumference won't be that much different!
A rear wheel is WAY easier to swap out the an angleset...but I also have lots of wheels in the garage...

I run 26" rear all the time with 27.5" front, even use a 26x2.3 version of the 27.5x2.3 front, feel no need to try and run bigger rear....and even if I did try and run big as possible rear to get back to close to the same circumference, then what's the point cause it will just raise it back up when I want it lower and slacker.

Hope that info is helpful!
 

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I was running a -1.5 Works on my Bronson and just switched to a -1 CC Angleset. Ran the Works for a year and it was fine but I wanted the steering to be a tad quicker.

The Works does have a taller lower cup than the CC 15mm vs. 12mm but it actually balances out to be the same since the lower cup on the CC has to sit on top of a gimbal so it adds 2-3 mm of stack height. After a couple rides I prefer the -1 degree much more and the bike is perfect now.

As far as installation the Works is an easy install. The CC takes a little more finesse. I had experience with one when they first came out and it gave me fits but I eventually got it to be silent. I was dreading installing the one on my Bronson but I got the install perfect the first time (dead silent). I just made sure to really go over CC's instructions, watched their youtube video again, and just took my time. I also use anti-seize instead of grease in the cups where the gimbals sit.
 

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Works/Angleset has 2mm higher stack height than regular headset.

1 degree will:
- steepen seat by about 0.3 degree
- BB only drops by a few mm and then raised by stack so a wash
- WB lengthened by about 0.2" maybe little more

Bushing:
- drop BB more
- slacken seat
- WB stays about the same
Just the info I was after, thanks! Does SC totally refrain from one using the offset bushings on Bronson by voiding warranty with shock and/or frame?
 
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