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So I've been breaking rear rims a lot lately, and on particularly harsh hits. I've never really had an issue with breaking rims other than the occasional dent, but in the last month I've gone through 3, and on trails im very familiar with and never had issues before.

The one consistent thing seems to be that its on smaller maybe baseball size rocks, twice with a bit of a hole before it to make that square edge even worse and pretty sharp/square edge and on decently quick sections of trail. I think i had been on the brakes at least a little each time. But i've hit those same rocks for years and never had an issue, if anything my rims are stronger, and im running 23.5-24 psi, with inserts, once without inserts. none of these have damaged the tire at all, no evidence of the the tire bottoming on the rim, or the rim impacting the rock.

its hard to feel exactly what went on each time, because its been so sudden, but i hear a bit of a bang, the type you hear when your wheel imacts something somewhat hard, but not the twangy harsh sound/feeling when you hit a rim, or REALLY smack your rear tire. I feel it, but it doesnt feel like a huge impact, though there does seem to be a lack of movement from the rear end at the same time. hard to tell if im feeling the rim crack, or if the shock is actually bottoming, or maybe the linkage is hanging up somehow. These do not seem like situations where i should be bottoming.

My thoughts are maybe on the super high speed end of the spectrum of HSC movements, its not open enough. Or on those super high speed shock movements, its too open and blowing through all the travel to bottom.
to me it feels like if anything my HSC could be more open, like its not quite active enough on those really quick impacts, especially when they're repeated. though i can see how it being too open could cause the same feeling if its bottoming my shock too easily. its on such quick impacts that are over with so fast its hard to feel it very well.
Shock is an EXT Storia.

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What changed in your riding?
Riding faster?
New/different wheel builder?
New suspension?
I have seen wheel damage from severe bottom outs/loss of travel even when psi is OK and wheel build is good.
 

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What changed in your riding?
Riding faster?
New/different wheel builder?
New suspension?
I have seen wheel damage from severe bottom outs/loss of travel even when psi is OK and wheel build is good.
not much change, marginally faster. Might be onto something with bottom outs. I did slow the rebound, because I pretty much always prefer a slower rebound. And opened the LSC some which I generally like especially for slower speed steep tech.
But this is a faster trail, and each time the small hit that took a rim out was mid chunky section. So maybe the dynamic sag was pretty low already, and just took one small but fast HSC hit to bottom it.

I’ve had no harsh bottoms yet that I could actually feel. Including some decent overshoots and drops to flat.
 

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Oh and technique.

I reckon this is 70% line choice and technique, followed by 25% tire pressure and 5% the rest of the variables.
this is on trails i know super well, hitting the same lines in the same way, literally never cracked a rim until a month ago, now I cracked 3. That’s what’s weirding me out so much, if it was other trails I’d think it’s my riding.
 

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not much change, marginally faster. Might be onto something with bottom outs. I did slow the rebound, because I pretty much always prefer a slower rebound. And opened the LSC some which I generally like especially for slower speed steep tech.
But this is a faster trail, and each time the small hit that took a rim out was mid chunky section. So maybe the dynamic sag was pretty low already, and just took one small but fast HSC hit to bottom it.

I’ve had no harsh bottoms yet that I could actually feel. Including some decent overshoots and drops to flat.
Still a lot of possibilities, can we get the frame and spring rate you have? The shock damping on its own is pretty irrelevant. Slowing the rebound might mean you are riding lower in the travel where the spring rate is stiffer

Also could be from riding faster - kinetic energy increases with the square of speed, so just travelling a few km/h faster is a huge amount more impact energy. In that case I would consider a stiffer spring, but would need to know more about the current one. A spring can be too soft even if you aren't feeling it bottom
 

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How are these rims being built into wheels? Is it a custom wheel builder? Machine built wheel? Local shop?

Are you sure the spoke tension was good each time?

Because beefy rim or not, it’s e spokes that hold the wheel together. The fact that you went forever with no problems, and now are having problems, says something is out of whack.

And I’d you’re 170lbs, with DD tires and 24psi (insert or not), and have broken 3 rims in a row on stuff you had no issues with before… it feels like maybe the wheels aren’t being built up to spec.

What exact rims are you breaking. And what rim listed forever for you?
 

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Easy, the EXT shock is increasing your speed by 11.37%.
You should bolt on an RP23 with boost valve if you want to save your rims.

But seriously, you say "cracked" so that means carbon rims? I have used many carbon rims, they will all break. Some are much better than others (WeAreOne), but they all will break from impact. I have found they fail easier when it's colder out.

If you want to stop cracking rims, go alloy. They just dent. ;)
 

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Still a lot of possibilities, can we get the frame and spring rate you have? The shock damping on its own is pretty irrelevant. Slowing the rebound might mean you are riding lower in the travel where the spring rate is stiffer

Also could be from riding faster - kinetic energy increases with the square of speed, so just travelling a few km/h faster is a huge amount more impact energy. In that case I would consider a stiffer spring, but would need to know more about the current one. A spring can be too soft even if you aren't feeling it bottom
frames a VHP-16 I’d have to double check the spring rate in a bit. It’s felt good, rode stuff like Jackson, portal, etc. in Moab a month ago, had some very hard impacts and if I ever bottomed it wasn’t hard. Though I wouldn’t mind stepping up in spring rate just to see.
 

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Easy, the EXT shock is increasing your speed by 11.37%.
You should bolt on an RP23 with boost valve if you want to save your rims.

But seriously, you say "cracked" so that means carbon rims? I have used many carbon rims, they will all break. Some are much better than others (WeAreOne), but they all will break from impact. I have found they fail easier when it's colder out.

If you want to stop cracking rims, go alloy. They just dent. ;)
been running a set of WAO agents for 4 months, broke a spare but very old WAO I had, and broke a flow EX3. Al including the flow were cracks. Tension on the Agents was good, and on the flows if anything the tension was a little low.
 
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