great bikes. get brain if you race. you can race with both but brain adds some efficency. personally i woul just get the expert unless components are different.
The big advantage of not getting the brain is you can have your shock Pushed, and you bike will perform better than the brain equiped stumpy.BeanMan said:Newbie here,
I am getting ready to purchase a new bike and have narrowed it down to either a stumpy expert without the rear brain fade or the stumpy pro with the brain. I'd like to hear your comments about the differences betweeen the two. Or whatever else you'd like to add about stumpy's etc.
Frankly......if you get the Stumpy to "bob all over the place", you really don't know how to pedal or you've got +3/4 of sag. The Enduro doesn't bob with the Brain (more active than the Stumpy Brain) nor with the old Vanilla (old enough not to have any platform damping system - PP, SPV etc...).2:1 said:I was in the same boat as you. I threw down the extra $$ for the Pro with the "trail-tuned" brain, and I'm disappointed. I leave the "brain fade" adjustment at full-closed, and it still bobs all over the place. Meanwhile, my friends who got the Epic Marathon aren't bobbing as they climb. My consolation prize is that, at 170lbs, my Stumpy Pro doesn't bob nearly as much as my Clydesdale buddy's Pro... he's REALLY disappointed!
Yup, another vote for the shock done by PUSH. What a difference between my PUSHed shock and my standard Triad.S-Works said:The big advantage of not getting the brain is you can have your shock Pushed, and you bike will perform better than the brain equiped stumpy.
No, I don't have the S-Works. My Enduro is 2005 Elite Brain.2:1 said:Umm, frankly, Jeppe, I do know how to pedal... but I also want to have full travel when I need it. You do have a point- increased spring pressure means that the shock won't bob as much on the ascent... but then it's much harder to get full travel on the descent.
The Trail-Tune means the threshold adjustment of the Brain. My Brain doesn't have that adjustment, but the 2005 Enduro Expert Brain does. The adjustment range is 0,5-1,0 g. The Brain on the Elite model has been fixed to 0,75 g. Having the Trail-Tune set in midrange, means that it's the same shock as the non-Trail-Tunable one. This means that the Trail-Tune can't actually handycap anything. It just gives a wider range of adjustment to match the rider weight and preferences.The reason I stripped down my '04 Enduro Comp was so that I could "upgrade" to the Brain shock, which I thought would give me a "best-of-both-worlds" feel... the '06 Brain Fade was a huge improvement over the original Brain. But, "Trail-Tune" seems to handicap that beautiful performance of the Epic's Brain.
A friend has a PUSH'ed shock on his Enduro and he says it's better than the original, which - I know - isn't that bad. I'd love to try one aswell, since I don't really need the Brain.To my dismay, as S-Works posted, PUSH won't touch anything with a Brain on it. I'm actually going back to my PUSH'ed '04 model, because I think it climbs and descends better than the '06 Pro.