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So I have a full on DH bike, but my big thing is that I'm going to race Dual Slalom up at Northstar this year...

Will a Bottlerocket be a decent ride for dual slalom? Some sections on lower Livewire are pretty rocky so maybe the 5.5" travel wont hurt?

I also plan on some DJ stuff...

Will a bottlerocket work well? or just work?

it will have a Dhx air shock, and a totem solo air fork. The frame is an 08 if that matters...
 

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alot of people swear by the bottlerocket, picked up one also. i got it as my do everything bike. it jumps better then my nomad. though i would run a 160mm fork if you are going to do alot of dirt jumping. i run a 180mm now because i will dh it in the summer.
 

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Jason B. said:
Getting rid of the Porter Moosey?
Just thinking about it. The porter would be perfect for DS, but i cant jump it very well. Its too light and hardtailish for my liking. also, for pretty much everyhting i ride (stupid drops to flat, rocks, and such) i think the extra travel would help. I love how low the porter is, and how easy it bunny hops, but thats about it. I used to ride an m1 (still have it, just not built up) and think a bottlerocket would suit me better, but im not sure how it dual slaloms.

I would trade it to a guy who wants a hardcore Slopestyle bike.

I plan on riding virgin and the double blacks at n* on it so the BR would do better there.

I know the porter would DS really well, but how well would the BR work?

When riding local stuff i feel like my porter is holding me back.

EDIT: just from the few vids i've seen the BR looks heavy. Can anyone tell me a full build weight?

I will probably swap to a 160mm fork...
 

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Man I wish I had time to link you to all the times I said you should get a BR in your 50 other threads.... If only...

Joking aside, It won't be as good at dual slalom as the porter or as poppy off jumps. It will be more forgiving though. I had a 4" travel bike and it did jump really well. The problem is it jumped too well. For MTB style jumps i prefer something like the bottlerocket. Way more forgiving if you mess up. On top of that it will be able to do XC riding way better than the porter

Im guessing you will be buying used again but if somehow you could save and get the new BR thats coming out it would work a lot better. It will have adjustable rear travel so you can drop it to 5" for dual slalom. match that with a Talas or something and it might be really good.

If you get a used one and can afford an extra $150 or so you could get a RP23 that has a shorter stroke. The BR uses a 7.85 X 2.25. You can get shocks in 7.85 X 2.0 so it would effectively drop the travel to 4.9" or so. I have toyed around with doing this too.
 

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climbingbubba said:
Man I wish I had time to link you to all the times I said you should get a BR in your 50 other threads.... If only...
Hahaha i was actually thinking about it when the offer for a BR came up.

Thanks for the shock info. After having my porter i realized the huge benifits of air shocks. I would probably use a fairly high Psi in it for my weight. I would also look into an adjustable travel fork. I would try to make it stiff like a SS bike. I watched a video and the suspension was pretty squishy, so i would try to make it pretty stiff within reason. Would it be better to run a shorter sroke, or just put a high psi in? if im doing trails (dunno if you know northstar) like sticks and stones, wouldn't the 5.5" be nice?

I thinks the porter jumps to well for me too. After riding it off many different jumps it want to go high, and catch some airtime. after riding an m1 for a season im still used to a hugh travel machine taking up most of the jump, and going more low and far off jumps. Wouldn't the bottlerocket be a good transition in between the two?

Does it still feel somewhat low and slack like the porter? or will it feel more like my m1?

(the porter is kinda small for me too. ill get a 17" BR, which will be nice because the porter is a 15")

The only reason i didnt get a BR before is the money. I had about $700 and coudnt find one for below $1200. I found the Porter as a frame from a pro who is getting a new one, so i asked him if he could throw in extra parts because i would like as close to a full build as possible. He managed to throw in everything but a BB and crankset for $700... I always was looking at BRs but knew i coudnt afford one.
Ill be trading someone my porter frame and fork for his frame and fork... its a sext deep green color too.

My friend has a speshy big hit spec wich has 5.5" travel, but it is about 9000000lbs and rides bad for my style. i am just afraid the BR will ride like that...
 

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The BR jumps nothing like a full 4" jump bike. It jumps well but there is some squish. With an air shock it would jump better but if you get the 17" (large) then it will have a pretty long wheelbase and feel pretty long. I am 6' and rode a medium and it felt really good on most everything. A large would be pretty long.

Also if its the green color that means its pretty old. like 07 or so. Mine was green too. I think they made them for 07 and maybe early 08. 3-4 years on a short travel freeride frame is quite a bit.

There seems to be plenty of BR's on pinkbike around 800 or so. I would try to get one of the newer ones that are lighter like the black/white speckle or purple ones.

It does sound like a great bike and i would be willing to bet it would ride dual slalom better than your old M1 would ride DH (comparing them to new bikes that is)
 

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The one im looking at is an 08, and its a 17" medium... larges are 19"....

it obviously jumps fairly well...

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climbingbubba said:
you can jump a dh bike too, I have seen pictures of that too

Small and medium BR'S had 15'' and large had 17. I know, I owned one
okay my bad bro... the guy said hes 6' and he rides a medium. i assumed it was a 17", still a 15" just makes it lower like my porter....

thanks for all the help, especially with the shock and stuff. i got some stuff to think about...
 

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Moosey said:
okay my bad bro... the guy said hes 6' and he rides a medium. i assumed it was a 17", still a 15" just makes it lower like my porter....

thanks for all the help, especially with the shock and stuff. i got some stuff to think about...
I am also 6' and rode a medium. With a 410mm seatpost you can get full extension even though it looks funny with 2 feet of seatpost showing :D

I bet it would be pretty sweet with either a new fox rp23 BV shock or a vivid air. The DHX air sucked on mine. Roco WC air's are pretty sick too but im not sure if they will fit. they have a big air can.

I bet with an air rear shock that you could pump up a lot for DS days you would be ok and not have to worry about the shorter stroke shock. The RP23 would be extra good since it has propedal which acts somewhat as a lockout. Plus it would keep it lightweight.

My BR weighed 33lbs at one time. That was 3 years ago though. It would be a lot easier to build one around 30-32 lbs if you went with lightweight stuff and a single ring upfront. Seems like parts are getting way lighter these days
 

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the porter is a jump bike. so if you feel like its holding you back, idk but im thinking its you not the bike.
 

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b-kul said:
the porter is a jump bike. so if you feel like its holding you back, idk but im thinking its you not the bike.
I guess your right. The guy wanting to trade his BR wanted to trade his frame for my full build (hellz no) so I'm keeping the porter for a while. My other friend and I found a new place to build, so I'll probably start back from the basics and build a lot of stuff to practice and get more comfortable on... I can't wait for northstar...
 

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Moosey said:
I guess your right. The guy wanting to trade his BR wanted to trade his frame for my full build (hellz no) so I'm keeping the porter for a while. My other friend and I found a new place to build, so I'll probably start back from the basics and build a lot of stuff to practice and get more comfortable on... I can't wait for northstar...
yeah, haha, i didn't mean to come off all elitist like "the bike is fine, you just suck" but usually a bike wont hold you back. maybe you're just not totally used to it?
 

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b-kul said:
yeah, haha, i didn't mean to come off all elitist like "the bike is fine, you just suck" but usually a bike wont hold you back. maybe you're just not totally used to it?
Nah its cool man. i get what you meant. you're a really cool dude so i figured you didn't mean it that way...

I've had the bike a few months, so im going back to the basic skills to try to re-learn jumping on this bike. i'm probably keeping it though. Its keeping me back though because i cant do stupid drops to flat like i can on my m1 lol. well, i could but it would kill my legs...

anyway the bottle rocket offer fell through so this threads done...

thanks for the help everyone!
 
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