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Didn't know whether to wrap fish or line the birdcage with it. Colored ink streaks when used as bumwipe.
 

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No kidding. What a bunch of crap. My favorite quote was "SWIMBA board member Dave Beck envisions trails that cater to everyone from beginners to big-air hucking freeriders." After having our trail Big Wood taken away by the USFS I have to wonder how tolerant the so-called freeriders are going to be about having to build a new trail on Bogus' too steep for good trails property. I personally can't wait to be put in the back corner like the red headed step child I am simply because I like to jump my bike.

Puuuuuurrrrrfect, once again. No wonder Brad hauled a$$ as soon as he got the opportunity. Even when we think we can improve the local riding scene, we can't.
 

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Keep being the squeaky wheel. Don't let up, OR let 'em put you in the corner...
 

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I also noted a complete lack of mention of the USFS' plan to clear cut and strip mine the entire Eastside/Sinker/Stack Rock area.
 

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Last week my wife and I visited the Boise area to check it out for a new place to live. We brought the mountain bikes and followed your suggestions for rides. We did the Hard Guy loop (makes my wife giggle) from the Co-op store. Great water bars and some spiffy burms but a rather dull climb and freegin' hot at noon. Missouri heat is worse but Idaho sun is insane. We know better now.

Our host gave us a copy of the news paper with the Bogus Basin article. We changed our plans on the second day and headed up to scout it out. There was no way to know where the hell you were and we did not know if the white signs were the trail markers. Nobody we encountered thought we were in the right place. We ended up at a campsite that had a 1 mile singletrack trail (very sweet) that lead to a fire road, which was actually pretty nice after broiling the day before. The drive was nice.

We did Brundage the next day and all was better. The riding in Boise seems pretty good and I am confident that more time would mean riding more cool trails.

Cheers.
 

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That's good to hear Crockpot2001. After Ivan's comment, "Puuuuuurrrrrfect, once again. No wonder Brad hauled a$$ as soon as he got the opportunity. Even when we think we can improve the local riding scene, we can't.", I'll admit I was little nervous to move.

I'm hoping Ivan is just spoiled. :) Of course, I'm not a FR or DH biker, I'm only Agressive XC.
 

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Crockpot - noon in midsummer is a really bad time to ride the foothills. Hot, hot and hot. As for the Bogus-area trails, you gotta know 'em or go with somebody who does b/c there isn't an official map of the trails.

Royta - that's a new riding subcategory I've never heard of - what's "aggressive XC?" With the continued fracturization of mountain biking into smaller and smaller user categories (XC, trail riding, all mountain, free riding, hucking, 4X, urban, downhill, etc.. ad nauseum), the last thing we need is yet another subcategory of mountain biking. Is "aggressive XC" something new between "traditional" XC and trail riding? If you're nervous about moving to Boise, maybe you shouldn't.
 

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Earthpig said:
Royta - that's a new riding subcategory I've never heard of - what's "aggressive XC?" With the continued fracturization of mountain biking into smaller and smaller user categories (XC, trail riding, all mountain, free riding, hucking, 4X, urban, downhill, etc.. ad nauseum), the last thing we need is yet another subcategory of mountain biking. Is "aggressive XC" something new between "traditional" XC and trail riding? If you're nervous about moving to Boise, maybe you shouldn't.
I'm more of a passive-agressive-compulsive XC rider with a borderline gear fetish disorder... I really need help...
 

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Yeah, I just heard the term yesterday. :) I think it covers those who ride the rough stuff, but are too scared for big drops. You know, stuff a Flux is designed for (not the drops).


Trying to keep me away? I just want to make sure the riding is good, that's all. I'm nervous to move anywhwere really. You know, the comfort zone thing. Being self-employed makes it hard to break through it.
 

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royta said:
Yeah, I just heard the term yesterday. :) I think it covers those who ride the rough stuff, but are too scared for big drops. You know, stuff a Flux is designed for (not the drops).

Trying to keep me away? I just want to make sure the riding is good, that's all. I'm nervous to move anywhwere really. You know, the comfort zone thing. Being self-employed makes it hard to break through it.
I think that's probably in the subcategory of "trail riding" (i.e., riding a bike with 5" of air-sprung travel - light enough to climb, but not burly enough for drops), but I get it now. None of that kind of riding here, cause all the lycra-wearing short travel XC riders in Boise are singlehandedly preventing the evolution of mountain biking. ;)

Am I trying to keep you away? No, the new motto of Boise is "Sprawl, traffic, pollution, and overcrowding are good!" Being the 3rd fastest growning metro area in the country just isn't good enough. We want the valley and foothills to be covered by asphault, strip malls, and McMansions like the rest of the country.
 

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We were driving around between Eagle and Star last October. I mentioned that the area looked prime for pheasants. Within a minute or two, I saw a rooster and hen hanging around under a tree just off the road about 100 feet. Not for long I guess.
 

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RE: pheasants

The western portion of the valley...including the stretch between Eagle and Star are getting eaten up by development each and every day and unfortunately that is taking away pheasant territory. Heck even out in my neck of the woods out in rural Canyon County, you see what was once prime pheasant hunting spots now turn into subdivisions thanks to Corey Barton and Hubble Homes.

Idaho F&G is making a concentrated effort though to stock Wildlife Management Areas like around Montour.
 

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Earthpig said:
I think that's probably in the subcategory of "trail riding" (i.e., riding a bike with 5" of air-sprung travel - light enough to climb, but not burly enough for drops), but I get it now..
Maybe he means "long-travel XC" I'm sure that's what he means. That's the category of MTB he's talking about. I'm sure of it. (Sic)
 

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Funny you write that

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None of that kind of riding here, cause all the lycra-wearing short travel XC riders in Boise are singlehandedly preventing the evolution of mountain biking. ;)
Considering how you think Rock Island is a great trail. Remember, without the "bored" ones around here you wouldn't have had that trail to ride in the first place. And I am correct in pointing out that you also own one the best all-mountain bikes on the market designed for technical trails. I also assume you really enjoy riding it when the trails seem appropriate. We're just trying to give you more opportunity to use that fantastic steed. I'd be more excited about technical, ie. rocks, and roots if we had them but we don't. So we tried to make more freeride oriented trails with jumps, log rides, and berms. Use what you have, IF your allowed to, hahaha. Wait, that's not really funny.
 

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Considering how you think Rock Island is a great trail. Remember, without the "bored" ones around here you wouldn't have had that trail to ride in the first place. And I am correct in pointing out that you also own one the best all-mountain bikes on the market designed for technical trails. I also assume you really enjoy riding it when the trails seem appropriate. We're just trying to give you more opportunity to use that fantastic steed. I'd be more excited about technical, ie. rocks, and roots if we had them but we don't. So we tried to make more freeride oriented trails with jumps, log rides, and berms. Use what you have, IF your allowed to, hahaha. Wait, that's not really funny.
Whoa there, Nelly. It's called sarcasm.
 

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I think the article is good and timely. The "Bogus Trails" have been progressing toward being recognized as official trails for a while now, and this is great "public notice" that they exist. It's a big step forward.

I'd say that there's no bad news in that article. For many people in the general public, this is likely the first they've ever heard of these trails. Letting the public know what is planned is important for making these trails "legal."

It will be a bummer, if BW is taken away. However, right now, getting the trail system approved is more important than the "we're loosing one trail" mentality. Sure, BW is unique, and losing it is a big bummer. But right now BW is an "unofficial" trail connected to a series of "unofficial" trails, some of which cross private property. We (the MTB community) needs to ensure that we have "offical" trails (as recognized by the NFS) in the area. Right now it's possible that we could lose every trail up there - IMO that would be a lot worse than losing BW.

Re: the logging effort ... It's easy to propose logging the area, because there is no offical trail system in the area. If/when there are officailly trails in the area, arguing against it is much easier.

Right now we're riding suspect trails, and likely tresspassing. Hopefully soon, the NFS gives the trails the official thumbs up, and trails that need to be rerouted around private land are rerouted. Once this happens Boise will have a great biking venue, that is legal. We may not get everythgin that we want, but getting these trails on the map is a HUGE step in the right direction.
 
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