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We all have our tricks me thinks. Just sharing some is all. Its raining steady and hard as I type this outside...rain is forecast for Ga for Thur, Fri, and Sat as of tonight, and my first race of our 04 State Champ series starts this Sunday at a course thats got tons of red clay. Unless its better then I'm preparing for, I'm using my HT ride and saving my 2 NRS rides for another day. Calling for T-storms up till Sat eve, so I will not know how it is until I get there. Will have both an NRS and this bike both prep'd for they're perspective rolls. Anyways...

Fenders to me are just more surface area for mud to stick too, at least for the narrow use of xc racing. All I wanna do is save the drivetrain...period. I can handle the mud. These are little preps to make it last longer. If its a slog, ANY preps will sooner or later get saturated/defeated with mud. But if my bike lasts 2-3 laps(3 lap race)before crap starts failing, and my comps bikes last .75 laps, then thats a big advantage equipt wise, as well as mentally. Which for mud racing, one can use all they can get of that. Trust me.

Just a few things...

Small inner tube cut used for mud spash guards for the brakes to help with the cables up here. Just one more layer of defense is all.

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The FD was drapped sorta with this piece..hole cut in both sides with sizzors, then the bolt to the waterbottle hold it firm. Slit a .75" cut on the back for the cable to go thru...again, just one more layer....

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Rear V-brake. Road tubes do good here. Slit the 3rd towards the cable stay. Again...one mo layer. Disc up front, so I'll live.:)

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Not sure about this mud guard(see fender above)but it helps keep mud off the cranks(note it really works better with the fulcrum of movement being upsidedown)from the front tire. Velcros holding it on, and the weight of mud will prob tear it off. But, I wanna be able too as well.

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Also will spray frame rails, front rim, FD, RD and chainrings(beside of course lots of Finishline wet lube on the drivetrain otherwise), rear tubecover on the vbrake cable deal above, Eggbeaters and crankarms, my bottom of my soles and cleats,...all with wet-ass silicone spray...again...just one more layer of defense. The mud will take a bit longer to build up is all. Half lap? 100yrds? 2 laps? Who knows. Less then if I didn't, is all I know..eh?

Also shoe spikes are your friend in this stuff. It all adds up in this game. hope my comp doesn't learn from this LOL!

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Certainly better than nothing.

You planning to bring either of the NRSs with you. weather.com is saying showers rest of tonight, and a few showers on Sat. Mostly Sunny otherwise (it does say 10-20% chance each day, but nothing major).

I am planning to help out and volunteer on Sunday. I haven't been on the trails at all since Nov (until last weekend), so I am so not ready to race offroad. But maybe this will get me motivated. Also looking at some of the endurance races coming up.

Maybe see you there.

Ryan
 

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Cool, and thanks ALOT for helping on Sunday. There'd be no race, of it were not for you guys. Yes, I wanna race my "race" NRS. Its a tad under 22lbs, so its a good measure lighter then the HT, and of course theres that rear shock:) thing. Ha!

The little pictures at the top look pretty scary, eh? .:)

Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best...diff applies here.


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/GAZ036.php?warncounty=GAC059&city=Athens
 

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Depending on the muddy conditions.....

I highly recommend a front fender.....can't race if you can't see. Glasses become useless and mud in the eye is no fun either.
Right after this race (I hade to race with one eye closed and the other eye squinted almost shut), I bought a fender.

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We used to spray everything on the bike with pam cooking spray. used to keep a little of the mud off the frame, etc.
 

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are those your "mud" tires on there? Id think youd want something a little more beefy
 

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Why bother with V's at all?

It sure sounds like you have the resources, so why not ride a bike equipped with discs front and rear. Just the sound of the mud grinding your rim all race long will drive you crazy, let alone the loss of braking and perceived rim-rub.
 

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Yup, those are Huchy Mosquitos, a mud specific. Bigger knobs just packup with our clay.
 

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Both NRS rides run disc brakes front and rear. Just don't wanna trash either if its slog, like my first Spring mud race last year. Took a month of rebuilding the entire ride afterward, from the BB up. This is the sacrifical lamb, so to speak.

If its like it "looks" like I hope it will be, its this ride....


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Or this one maybe. I need some more tires me thinks...

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Very creative anti mud protection Duckman...

While I could never be bothered thinking that up, I gotta commend you becuase, post race, your gear will be in much better shape, and running smoothly ready for the next race.

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Trevor!
 

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What PSI are you running your Noleen at in each leg?

and what is your weight?

Just courious as I am still playing around with mine a bit.

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The main thing that I do is to coat the bike with Pam as the previous poster had mentioned. I pay special attention that I coat the derailleurs, bottom bracket area and rims and sidewalls of the tires with Pam (I have discs) . It is amazing how little mud sticks to your bike when you do this. Alot of the other things shown in this thread do cover the components from direct damage, but still allow 5 lbs of mud to hang from your bike that can really be noticed in race conditions and slow you down.

Also be very mindful of wind conditions when you do this as an unfriendly wind direction can put Pam squarely on your rotors (I have done this and have had to franticly degrease the rotors right before the race) If I recall correctly you are from the Midwest and may encounter the same types of mud that I do here in Indiana.

In really muddy conditions, I have used the Specialized Extreme Control/Master 1.7 Team Editions with great success. My best race finishes have been in very muddy conditions. These are skinny tires with big knobs that cut right through to the solid stuff and do not pack up. If the race looks exceptionally muddy and the course is fairly flat, I switch to using a single speed to eliminate drivetrain related mud failures.
 

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Aprox 65-68psi for each leg. I weigh 160lb w/o my racing duds.
 

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Do I see mosquito golds in that pile?

The gold compound is SOO much better in the mud - why aren't you using those? If they're worn down, THROW THEM AWAY!
 

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I have them on both ends of the black NRS at the moment as a matter of fact. No, they are not worn. I have 7 of them, and 2 Airlights, for Gods sake. Only have a couple races on'm at the most. Yes, the black Airlight is on it only as I was testing a Jimmy Light on the front, more then anything. Gotta look good ya know. I'm vain like that.
 

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Yup, that's the only problem with the golds

Yup, that's the only problem with the mosquito golds (aside from wearing quickly) - unless your nike is yellow, they look AWFUL!
 

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Seems about 80-89mm most of the time. JUST got back from riding the Advanced loop(5 miles)at Blankets Creek at a relaxed pace, mostly to try the new rear wheel/Stans setup. But the fork settiings was another. Some log piles, rock gardens, dips, etc. Grain of salt observation: My darn high pressure pump starts at 60psi, and I think its a piece of crap otherwise(Topeak). May be less then what I'm seeing on the gage. Ok for a Sid front or rear, but sucks for this fork, or say my Zoke Marathon.
Seems to be a small-ish window for the fork..where it feels stiff enough not to "settle down" too much on the downs, but not too much as to feel "top-out-ish" and/or start experiencing loss of usuable travel.

Heres an pic of exactly what the fork did on this ride. The upper dirt line is my typical travel line. Remember...think Sid.:)

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Per weather.com...

...10% chance of rain Friday, 40% chance of a.m. showers on Saturday and no rain on Sunday. I've watched it all week and it seems like the closer it gets to the weekend, the chance of rain is diminishing. Let's hope that trend continues, I do NOT want to do another mud race. Just in case, I'm putting the FSR back together to "come off of the bench" in case of a mud-fest.
 
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