I totally hear ya, but I don't think that will sway many people. I remember reading somewhere that Snow Summit generated the same amount of income in one week of winter as the entire summer. Don't quote me on that but for all the times I went up there it was never crowded enough to hold a candle to a winter's day.
big bear petition?
big bear petition?- for those who wont be riding.....
so I know Big Bear is closed to riding but now that the snow is beginning to melt how about a petition to show how many people WON'T be going up to Big Bear this summer.
( and how much money they WON'T be spending on food, lodging, gas and repairs)
ie
Name ---------- Visits in 04 ---------- Home town -----------Money Spent
Matt Pearce ... 6 days ..... Pasadena .... 6 lift tickets, 1 w'end condo rental
8 meals, 1 set of brake pads,
It probably won't effect summit management but It will give the Big Bear Business community some idea of the business they are going to lose now that the mountain is closed to biking.
I dont know how to set up something like that so I'd be happy if someone took the ball and ran with it.
It worked for the east coast and it couldn't hurt here.
thoughts?
so I know Big Bear is closed to riding but now that the snow is beginning to melt how about a petition to show how many people WON'T be going up to Big Bear this summer.
( and how much money they WON'T be spending on food, lodging, gas and repairs)
ie
Name ---------- Visits in 04 ---------- Home town -----------Money Spent
Matt Pearce ... 6 days ..... Pasadena .... 6 lift tickets, 1 w'end condo rental
8 meals, 1 set of brake pads,
It probably won't effect summit management but It will give the Big Bear Business community some idea of the business they are going to lose now that the mountain is closed to biking.
I dont know how to set up something like that so I'd be happy if someone took the ball and ran with it.
It worked for the east coast and it couldn't hurt here.
thoughts?
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The problem is more people ski and snowboard than bike. Also skiing is a family thing Mountain biking usually isn't
Decline's Article
There is an article in this month's Decline magazine, in regards to the closure of Big Bear. It is a true statement that they only make a fraction on their yearly income during the summer months.
I was holding out some hope that Snow Summit may reconsider their decision; however, after reading Decline's article, Snow Summit will never allow DH bikes on the Summit ever again. As most of you know, there are many issues that led to the closure of Snow Summit; the pending lawsuit is really just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Based on all of the information I have heard, I don't think a petition will do us much good...
There is an article in this month's Decline magazine, in regards to the closure of Big Bear. It is a true statement that they only make a fraction on their yearly income during the summer months.
I was holding out some hope that Snow Summit may reconsider their decision; however, after reading Decline's article, Snow Summit will never allow DH bikes on the Summit ever again. As most of you know, there are many issues that led to the closure of Snow Summit; the pending lawsuit is really just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Based on all of the information I have heard, I don't think a petition will do us much good...
naw
they will reopen eventualy if MTBR's poke and prod enough. Why is there a law suit any way.... i don't get how skiers hurt them selvs n don't sue. it should be the same ski hill rules for MTBs as well post all over ride at your own risk. u can't sue cuz its marked ride at ur own risk and arn't liable for personal injury. ( they could say they hurt thems self on a man made structure but arn't snow jumps and rails man made to)
they will reopen eventualy if MTBR's poke and prod enough. Why is there a law suit any way.... i don't get how skiers hurt them selvs n don't sue. it should be the same ski hill rules for MTBs as well post all over ride at your own risk. u can't sue cuz its marked ride at ur own risk and arn't liable for personal injury. ( they could say they hurt thems self on a man made structure but arn't snow jumps and rails man made to)
it seems crazy to me that with a market as big as southern california and with a ski season as short as it is, there has to be someone that wants to step up and cater to the big bike set.
If nothing else a well constructed petition would give some indication of the economics involved.
If nothing else a well constructed petition would give some indication of the economics involved.
The Lawsuit...
The lawsuit was filed by a racer who was paralized after a serious crash during the 2003 "Gotta Thunder" race. For those people who don't know, 2003 was marked with several serious injuries and one death during the 2003 NORBA nationals.
The lawsuit was filed by a racer who was paralized after a serious crash during the 2003 "Gotta Thunder" race. For those people who don't know, 2003 was marked with several serious injuries and one death during the 2003 NORBA nationals.
Mt. Baldy?
so has anyone ever ridden at mt. baldy? I hear they will load bikes during the off season, but their trial system seemed lacking (mostly uninteresting fire roads). Anybody ridden there?
so has anyone ever ridden at mt. baldy? I hear they will load bikes during the off season, but their trial system seemed lacking (mostly uninteresting fire roads). Anybody ridden there?
Mt. Baldy...
Mt Baldy is like Mt Waterman; a total lack of actual trails. I'd venture to say that it is possible to make Mt Baldy decent for downhilling--if they would let us...
Mt Baldy is like Mt Waterman; a total lack of actual trails. I'd venture to say that it is possible to make Mt Baldy decent for downhilling--if they would let us...
Snow Summit and the city of Big Bear needs money in the summer as well as the winter, even if mtb'n doesn't size up to skiing $$. We need to push the issue as a matter of having a LEGAL place to ride, otherwise injuries and deaths may occur on public or illegally on private land.
I think it's lame for people to say that passing around a petition won't do a bit of good so therefore they won't sign it. Every little bit helps! Reopening Summit to DH bikes has got to start somewhere, so why not here? Will Summit ever reopen? Who knows, but at least those who have a passion for that place have got to try?
And I agree with others that Big Bear Lake needs money in the summer time as well as the winter.
And I agree with others that Big Bear Lake needs money in the summer time as well as the winter.
Thats me...hbfrdh1 said:And I agree with others that Big Bear Lake needs money in the summer time as well as the winter.
and I agree with you too..
Now what do we have to do to start a petition??
I'm all for trying...
I say we give it a shot, we have nothing to lose. Big Bear has always been one of my favorite places to ride, so it hurts to know that we won't be able to ride there anymore.
However, I think the big issue is that they won't be able to afford the insurance rates with the pending lawsuit; therefore, not making a profit. I hate to say it, but the owner of Snow Summit doesn't really care if downhillers don't spend their money in Big Bear--for motel rooms and food. We also have to take into consideration that the lake will be nice this summer, so there will a lot more tourists making their way up the mountain for their vacations.
The bottom line is that the owner of Snow Summit doesn't want to deal with the headaches and the risk of further lawsuits. I'm not too sure why the liable is less for their winter operations, but it is...
I say we give it a shot, we have nothing to lose. Big Bear has always been one of my favorite places to ride, so it hurts to know that we won't be able to ride there anymore.
However, I think the big issue is that they won't be able to afford the insurance rates with the pending lawsuit; therefore, not making a profit. I hate to say it, but the owner of Snow Summit doesn't really care if downhillers don't spend their money in Big Bear--for motel rooms and food. We also have to take into consideration that the lake will be nice this summer, so there will a lot more tourists making their way up the mountain for their vacations.
The bottom line is that the owner of Snow Summit doesn't want to deal with the headaches and the risk of further lawsuits. I'm not too sure why the liable is less for their winter operations, but it is...
We should just build a trail from the top of that gondola ride in Palm Springs.
what about the little ski resort in Kern County?
they have the rafting and tourist infrastructure and I'm sure that resort sits dormant through out the summer.
they have the rafting and tourist infrastructure and I'm sure that resort sits dormant through out the summer.
You mean Shirley Meadows up in Kernville by Lake Isabella???matthew said:what about the little ski resort in Kern County?
they have the rafting and tourist infrastructure and I'm sure that resort sits dormant through out the summer.
I know a SICK trail that takes you from the summit to the lake. 10 plus mile DH trail called "Just Outstanding" -aint no secret, dirt bikes have torn it up.
Actually, Keysville is right there too..
You might be on to something...
I thought about Kernsville as an alternative to Big Bear. I think this is something that I will look into. I've heard that there are some pretty fun trails up there, and it is about the same distance as Big Bear. I'm planning to head up to Mammoth for the Nationals and probably a few times before the race.
I thought about Kernsville as an alternative to Big Bear. I think this is something that I will look into. I've heard that there are some pretty fun trails up there, and it is about the same distance as Big Bear. I'm planning to head up to Mammoth for the Nationals and probably a few times before the race.
What's cool about that area is it's on the way to mammoth, only about 2 hours south.WWT said:I thought about Kernsville as an alternative to Big Bear. I think this is something that I will look into. I've heard that there are some pretty fun trails up there, and it is about the same distance as Big Bear. I'm planning to head up to Mammoth for the Nationals and probably a few times before the race.
I've done some great riding in kern county but you end up still shuttling.
it would be great to find a ski resort that wants to try to capture the lift serviced market.
that way rather than building locals only trails people could get behind a resort and do it legally.
from what I understand whistler dosn't have a problem with out of bounds trail because the legal stuff is so sweet.
it would be great to find a ski resort that wants to try to capture the lift serviced market.
that way rather than building locals only trails people could get behind a resort and do it legally.
from what I understand whistler dosn't have a problem with out of bounds trail because the legal stuff is so sweet.
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