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The Budget
400-800$

The Goal:
All around hardtail singlespeed ridgid utility bike, for cheap, and upgradeable to do most everything a hardtail can do.

The Requirements:
1- Hold a Clydesdale 250+lb rider
2- Commuter 20-60miles a day over dirt gravel pavement, in mud, rain, and snow.
3- Weekend Warrior, excellent climber, single track, fire roads, boulders
4- Upgradeable, gears if needed, front suspension if needed.
6- RELIABLE
7- Components readily available in the USA, via online or LBS (no unobtanium parts!)

The Options

Full Bikes
329$ - 08 Motobecane OUTCAST 29 aluminum http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-ALUMINUM-M...5QQihZ004QQcategoryZ98083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
450$ - 07 Monocog 29er steel LBS
479$ - 07 SE 29" Stout aluminum http://www.sebmx.com/2007/bike-detail.asp?id=21
499$ - KHS Solo One aluminum LBS http://www.khsbicycles.com/02_solo-one_07.htm
500$? - GT Peace 9r http://www.gtbicycles.com/mountain/catalog/detail.php?id=2763&country=usa&brand=moun
700$? - KHS Solo One SE steel LBS http://www.khsbicycles.com/02_solo-one-se_07.htm
750$ - 07 Raleigh XXIX steel LBS http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?itemid=341
950$ - Kona Unit 2-9er steel LBS http://www.konaworld.com/bikes/2k7/UNIT29/index.html

Frames
189$ - Monocog 29er w/ Fork http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/FR403A00-Redline+Monocog+29Er+Framefork+Set+07.aspx
299$ - 06 Surly Karate Monkey w/ Fork [NoEbb?]
249$ - Zion 737 [EBB optional] (no fork) http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/FR405A01-Zion 737Ebb Frame.aspx?SSAID=169405
360$ - Vassago Jabberwocky or Bandersnatch (no fork)

Forks
65$ Zion Rigid MTN Fork http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/FK409C00-Zion+Rigid+Mtn+Fork.aspx
100$ Surly Karate Monkey Fork http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/FK409C02-Surly+Karate+Monkey+Fork.aspx
159$ Niner Rigid Fork http://bike29.com/catalog/forks-rigid-forks-c-23_53.html
179$ On One Inbred Rigid Fork http://bike29.com/catalog/forks-rigid-forks-c-23_53.html

Wheelset
135$ Shimano M525 Disc Mavic A317 29Er Wheels http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/WH400G00-Shimano+M525+Disc+Mavic+A317+29Er+Wheels.aspx
199$ Bike 29 Foundation 29er Wheelset http://bike29.com/catalog/bike-foundation-29er-wheelset-p-231.html
274$ 2240g Shimano XT® Salsa Delgado Disc 29er Factory Wheelset http://www.speedgoat.com/product.asp?part=118261&cat=360&brand=500
283$ Deore XT 6-BOLT Salsa Delgado Disc 29" http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/WH402A11-Deore+Xt+6-Bolt+Salsa+Delgado+Disc+29.aspx

Tires/Tubes
20$ 29er Tubes! 10 for $20! http://bike29.com/catalog/29er-tubes-p-192.html
22$ WTB Motoraptor 29'R http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TI405A01-Wtb+Motoraptor+29R.aspx
48$ Stan's Notubes The Crow Tire http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/TI408A02-Stans+Notubes+The+Crow+Tire.aspx

Handlebars
54$ On One Mary/Mungo/Midge Handlebar http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/14504-195_ONOMR5-0-Search--/On-One-Mary-Hanldebar.htm
79$ Titec H-Bar http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/HB310A00-Titec+Jones+H-Bar+254+Handlebar.aspx
xxx$ ?

Headset
30$ Cane Creek S-3 Headset http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/HS507A01-Cane+Creek+S-3+Headset.aspx
xxx$ ?

Stem
35$ Zoom TDS-80 Adjustable Mountan Stem http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/ST308A09-Zoom+Tds-80+Adjustable+Mountan+Stem.aspx
36$ Race Face Evolve XC Stem '05 http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/ST602A01-Race+Face+Evolve+Xc+Stem+05.aspx

Front Break
30$ Avid Single Digit 5 Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR702A02-Avid+Single+Digit+5+Brake.aspx
39$ Shimano LX BR-M585 Disc Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR604C01-Shimano+Lx+Br-M585+Disc+Brake.aspx
52$ Hayes MX-2 Disc Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR401C00-Hayes+Mx-2+Disc+Brake.aspx
xxx$ ?

Rear Break
30$ Avid Single Digit 5 Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR702A02-Avid+Single+Digit+5+Brake.aspx
39$ Shimano LX BR-M585 Disc Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR604C01-Shimano+Lx+Br-M585+Disc+Brake.aspx
52$ Hayes MX-2 Disc Brake http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/BR401C00-Hayes+Mx-2+Disc+Brake.aspx
xxx$ ?

Crankset
63$ Shimano Deore FC-M470 Octalink Crankset http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/CR407A16-Shimano+Deore+Fc-M470+Octalink+Crankset.aspx
xxx$ ?

Pedals
89$ Crankbrothers Mallet C Pedals 06 http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/PE407A12-Crankbrothers+Mallet+C+Pedals+06.aspx
xxx$ ?

Gears
25$ Endless Bikes Kick Ass Cogs http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/14...e-Speed-Parts/Endless-Bikes-Kick-Ass-Cogs.htm
xxx$ ?

Chain
9$ Sram PC 1 Single Speed Chain 2007 Http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/15...ed-Parts/Sram-PC-1-Single-Speed-Chain-'07.htm
xxx$ ?

Seatpost
50$ Salsa Shaft Seatpost http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/SE403A04-Salsa+Shaft+Seatpost.aspx
99$ Cane Creek 3G Thudbuster Seatpost http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/SE611B00-Cane+Creek+3G+Thudbuster+Seatpost.aspx

Saddle
25$ WTB Speed V Comp Saddle http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/SA703A04-Wtb+Speed+V+Comp+Saddle.aspx
xxx$ ?
 

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Discussion Starter · #2 · (Edited)
This is a work in progress and hopefully a community project 8*)
You guys definitely know more than I do

This is my first bike build so figured others could benefit from the research so may as well structure it for everyone.
 

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If you can get a Karate Monkey frame and fork for $299, go for it.
It has a derailleur hanger and cable routing and it can use rim or disk brakes.

Inexpensive DISK ONLY wheels are easy to find on the Internet for around $150.
They usually have XT hubs and Mavic 317 rims, good stuff.
I haven't seen rim brake compatible wheels this cheap.
The point is that it might be just as cheap to go with disk only wheels and cable disk brakes.

Shimano Deore components are very good and very cheap.

Good luck.
 

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Loving the Large Karate Monkey full rigid - Great climber, great singletrack machine, etc., etc. Downside - rear horizontal dropouts.

The Zion actually has a chainstay length that is pretty close to the Monkey, and it is $100-200 cheaper. It's lighter, and the geometry overall is almost exactly the same as the Monkey. I think I might pick that up next. The twentynineinches.com green frame is awesome.

Finally, the Vassago seems like a great frame. Geometry is great, although it is starting to get up there on the chainstay length to 18", which is like a Voodoo Aizan, Niner EMD, Soma Juice, etc. I have not ridden a bike with chainstays that long, but I might think that this would make the bike feel longer, and perhaps not corner as well. I don't know if the steeper seat angle would compensate for that, but unlikely.
 

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Since singlespeed is what he wants priomarily, both the KM and the RLMC should keep leading the race.
It's hard to beat the Redline. You'll have budget left to get tires that will work well on foul weather commutes and dry trails (Halo Twin Rails?).
RL has a slightly taller BB, which help if a clyde comes across a set of longer cranks (I run 185mm on mine, though $$$).

For long commutes, I'd definately upgrade the handlebars to something with back sweep. FU bar, Space bar (<$30 shipped, no longer stem needed), or Titec H (horns for pesky head winds).

Further more, if you just carry a 15mm wrench, with an extra cog on the cassette style rear hub, you can fine tune gearing before a ride. I think I heard 3 will fit on there.

If you're going to make serious annual miles, consider a steel 36t Surly chainring, also for mage-smooth pedaling. 36x15-18-22 should always have the gear for you. I think this difference can actually be taken up by the slack in the chain over the ca 25-30mm dropout slot adjustment. One inch is 2 teeth, but multiplied by 2 (chain goes round), and another 2 (chain only wraps half the cog), makes 8. You will adjust V pads, but that's easy.

I just tried to buy Avid FR-5 levers (good, light, $12-13), but they were out of stock when I ordered. Nice upgrade over stock.

Get fenders. I've only got a rear one on my KM now (my commuter lately), and it's worth it.

The idea of a low budget do-all bike intrigues me, good luck, and let us know how you spent the budget!

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If staying within the $400-$800 budget is the main goal I would get one of the:

Full Bikes
450$ - 07 Monocog 29er LBS
750$ - 07 Raleigh XXIX LBS


It would be hard to beat the price of one of those completely assembled bikes.

If you want to build your own and spend a bit more, a Karate monkey would be a good platform especially @ $299!

You might even be able to find a complete monkey on Ebay for less than $800.

Good Luck!

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I had an 06 redline monocog 29er

I loved the "just ride" feel of the SS and the monocog was ALOT of fun but I foolishly sold it last winter

From memory in the end I had an 18t 20t 14t 15t 16t for the rear.

I cant remember how the gearing worked if the lower was for commuting and the higher for climbing....

The 20t? was perfect for the easy single track that was nearby that I could hit on the weekdays.
The 16t? was kinda slow for commuting but I had 2 climbs that I was glad I had the 16t for.

The reasons I sold my monocog...

The creaking on hard climbs! think it was mainly the headset that I kept having to tighten
The rear tensioners and having to readjust brakes and such when i would manually have to switch gears
The 30lb bike

The biggest reason...
I could not get a gear to work out for any of the harder singletrack trails that had alot of climbing. Other people would just switch to hamster gear and climb past me for 30 minutes while I walked... not fun.

Because of tooth differences, I ended up having to use a thinner chain that would work with the biggest and smallest cogs because the stock one didnt fit over the 15t? I had but when I would climb it would snap the chain, so I got fed up, probably a bad chain or my gearing between front and back cogs was too severe but I sold the bike and bought some new snowboarding gear with the plans to save up and buy a nice geared 29er.

Now that I look back at it, I suppose I should have kept the monocog and played with the front gears so I could get both extremes in the gearing althou now that i think about it the 32t up front was the biggest i could go... or bought a 2nd commuter bike or something.

I had squirled away almost 2000$ unfortunately the wife found out and has been insistent about some kitchen cabinet project that ive been unsuccessfully trying to ignore. so that 2g is going to the cabinets since I am supposedly some sort of responsible adult......

The good news is I got my cash-sharing bonus from the profits at work and somehow 800$ of it magically turned into cash and fell into my shoe, and the rest got deposited, so that is my budget.
 

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Cloxxki said:
Since singlespeed is what he wants priomarily, both the KM and the RLMC should keep leading the race.
Well, I enjoyed the SS for everything but moderate-hard trails which around here in the lake tahoe area are 50% climbing, which I just could not do with the 32/20 I had.

It's hard to beat the Redline. You'll have budget left to get tires that will work well on foul weather commutes and dry trails (Halo Twin Rails?).
RL has a slightly taller BB, which help if a clyde comes across a set of longer cranks (I run 185mm on mine, though $$$).
For long commutes, I'd definately upgrade the handlebars to something with back sweep. FU bar, Space bar (<$30 shipped, no longer stem needed), or Titec H (horns for pesky head winds).
Definatley want something other than a straight bar, was thinking the Titec H or some dropbars, I have never used dropbars but figure all the roadies use it for comfort and others comments about them for mtb seem logical.

Further more, if you just carry a 15mm wrench, with an extra cog on the cassette style rear hub, you can fine tune gearing before a ride. I think I heard 3 will fit on there.
I could only fit 2 cogs, if I could fit 3 and only needed a wrench to swap gears in <10m I would be in heaven.

If you're going to make serious annual miles, consider a steel 36t Surly chainring, also for mage-smooth pedaling. 36x15-18-22 should always have the gear for you. I think this difference can actually be taken up by the slack in the chain over the ca 25-30mm dropout slot adjustment. One inch is 2 teeth, but multiplied by 2 (chain goes round), and another 2 (chain only wraps half the cog), makes 8. You will adjust V pads, but that's easy.
This is the problem I had with the monocog
I could not get the 15t to fit, the chain would bind rather than wrap around the cog, the LBS suggested a different thinner chain which worked, but I snapped it everytime I would climb when MTB'ing (well 3x), I think the chain may have been fubar.

The idea of a low budget do-all bike intrigues me, good luck, and let us know how you spent the budget!
J
Yea I wish it was possible to build the KM 29er for 800$ but looks like I need 1-1.2k
 
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my suggestion...

try a Niner SIR9. Reynolds steel is nice, EBB is versatile, frame is durable (mine has taken a horrible beating over the last year).

good luck!
 

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Feclar said:
I had an 06 redline monocog 29er

The creaking on hard climbs! think it was mainly the headset that I kept having to tighten or maybe it was from the ebb
God, mine does that also, but for me it seems to be the stem/bar intersection and I think pedels, dont think i get a BB creak. I just live with it now. I've loosened and retightened the stem/arm... I'd vote for the KM. When I have the money and if I can still find one for $299, i'm gonna buy one of those.
 

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Another vote for the Karate Monkey

The master of versatility. Geared or single. Racks or not. It is beefy so it will hold well to your clyde size. Climbs like a billy goat. The Karate Monkey fork runs very rigid (more so than others) but in the hands of a clyde it may give you the right amount of flex (I would do a search on these boards and see what other clydes think of the fork). Plus the price is right. To save a bit o cash I would go with regular tire and tubes. Also the tire and tube combo is part of the KISS mantra compared to Stans. As far as handlebar I think either would work fine just depends on what makes you comfortable. If you are commuting then think of things like where you will mount your light and computer (if you use one). If money is tight go with a V-brake but get a wheelset that accepts disc brakes so you can upgrade later. A cheap v-brake option is the Avid SD-7 withe the FR-5 levers (as someone else mentioned). You can get these pretty cheap. The discs will run you more but give you better all-weather performance and slow your bigger frame down better on the downhills. I would recommend the AVID the BB7 (not the BB5) for price, performance, and simplicity. You might be able to find some 2006 models for cheap online still (not sure about this though). One final note. I would consider cheaking out your local LBS and give them a shot with your business. They might suprise you on prices. Also as far a stem sixe they can get you fitted up good without buying an adjustable stem. The solid stem will be more durable. Good luck and have fun with it.
 

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Sounds like a geared bike would suit you better.

I recommended the KM because it is gear ready.
You COULD gear a MC.
Here's a link to a thread that discusses gearing an MC.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=292265
In this thread a commenter suggests using DMR chain tugs with a built in derailleur hanger. I think this is the best way to go. You could use a axle mounted der. like the Shimano Hone but it would probably be a pain to take the wheel off.
Link to DMR.
http://www.dmrbikes.com/?Section=pr...gory=8&CategoryName=Frame Parts&itemid=FPCTMH

All my comments are influenced by your desire to spend as little money as possible.
If you geared an MC I think that would be the cheapest possible route. And, the MC is a well loved bike. There's no way you could build a bike cheaper, part by part. Upgrade the MC as new funds present themselves.

If you geared an MC you'd have to get another rear wheel or rebuild the MC rear wheel around a cassette hub. Although the price of a hub, spokes, and labor could easily match a set of those wheels at Jenson USA. I'd be more inclined to rebuild because I like my rims to match. Also, rebuilding would allow you to use rim brakes which are way cheaper than disk brakes.
 

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http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-ALUMINUM-M...5QQihZ004QQcategoryZ98083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Turn around and sell the frame for 100$ and would have all the parts for 229$?

Or could do something similar with a monocog sell the frame for 150$.(they going for 189$ from a shop).

500$ for a monocog -150frame = 350$ + 300$ KM frame = 650$ KM SS???

Possible? Probable?

Not sure if I could build a better SS build kit with a wheelset for under 400$
 

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You forgot to add the price of the KM fork.
I guess what you really want is a KM.

How about just getting the Motobecane and riding it as is? 329 + 40 shipping = 369.
Next cheapest, Monocog, 459 + tax.
Motobecane, aluminum, Monocog, steel.
 

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I just wanted to let you know the Monocog does not have an EBB bottom bracket. I have one and I don't think you can go wrong with the frame and fork deal from Jenson..good luck..
 

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Feclar said:
The good news is I got my cash-sharing bonus from the profits at work and somehow 800$ of it magically turned into cash and fell into my shoe, and the rest got deposited, so that is my budget.
Nice job, man. Well executed.
 

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my suggestion...

try a Niner SIR9. Reynolds steel is nice, EBB is versatile, frame is durable (mine has taken a horrible beating over the last year).

good luck!
Yes, a nice frame for his budget to hang from a wall. But what would he ride then?
 

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Feclar said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2008-ALUMINUM-M...5QQihZ004QQcategoryZ98083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Turn around and sell the frame for 100$ and would have all the parts for 229$?

Or could do something similar with a monocog sell the frame for 150$.(they going for 189$ from a shop).

500$ for a monocog -150frame = 350$ + 300$ KM frame = 650$ KM SS???

Possible? Probable?

Not sure if I could build a better SS build kit with a wheelset for under 400$
II would totally buy an XL Motobecane frame from you for $100 to help you build a KM. I already a KM :)
And I know someone who would take the XL Monocog 29 frame from you for $150.

Parting out makes many people happy.
 

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You forgot to add the price of the KM fork.
I guess what you really want is a KM.
The 06 KM's are on clearance it seems
Have seen 2 different places selling them for 300$

How about just getting the Motobecane and riding it as is? 329 + 40 shipping = 369.
Next cheapest, Monocog, 459 + tax.
Motobecane, aluminum, Monocog, steel.
The motobecane is fixed gear, which I think means it is very difficult to change the rear cog on so no go there
 
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