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Very interesting stuff. As for the majors like Specialized and Trek, I got to believe they spec out the bike and then farm out the actual build to Asia. ATI and Nvidia, graphics card makers, do this. There doesn't seem to be too much similiarities between Jamis and Specialized even though the articles alludes to them being made by the same overseas company.
 

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Good find, I didn't even notice the V-brakes. The components are still good, unless they are fake, but I somehow doubt that. I wonder if the frames are decent?
 

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Asia: Cheap, US: Expensive

This makes me wonder about the cost to produce a frame. Many big name companies have their frames made in Asia and probably for quite cheap. I chuckle to see the huge markup that American companies put on their Taiwanese made frames. I still buy them despite the markup, of course, because I want to at least feel american. But how long will this last?

More companies will begin to undercut the american brands like Weyless did to the Heckler and Bullit (though you can't get a Weyless XP or 6-7 anymore). I wouldn't be suprised if the Weyless XP and the Heckler were actually built down the street from each other or even in the same manufacturing plant and yet the XP was half the price of the heckler.

Anywho, just thinking out loud...
 

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Companies like IBEX and Kinley are trying to close the gap.

Once you know this stuff, it becomes a real irritant to know how many people u got to feed. I was looking at a Specialized Stumpjumper Disc that was quoted to me at $1450. LBS gets a couple of hundred and then Specialized get their margin which is at least equal to or more than the online guys. People in the Specialized forum are complaining how prices are always going up.
 

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My Scott's frame says "Made in Taiwan" at the bottom. This is a $3926 MSRP bike. Granted I paid nowhere near that. The quality is excellent though, so I'm not complaining.
 

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More companies will begin to undercut the american brands like Weyless did to the Heckler and Bullit (though you can't get a Weyless XP or 6-7 anymore). I wouldn't be suprised if the Weyless XP and the Heckler were actually built down the street from each other or even in the same manufacturing plant and yet the XP was half the price of the heckler.

Anywho, just thinking out loud...
THey were. ALL Santa Cruz frames are made by Kinesis. Santa Cruz is a designer brand, they don't build squat themselves. Weyless frames were designed by Kinesis, and made by Kinesis. All Weyless models came from Kinesis's taiwan factory. A third of Santa Cruz's models come out of that same factory (the rest from the one in Oregon) including the Julianna SL, the chameleon/jackal, the heckler, and the superlight.
 

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Hmmm. that's wierd. Sorry I don't have the article, I just found it in passing. I wonder if that person's bandwidth was exceeded...

The article basically just says that he bought a bike on ebay for something like $350 that said it had an msrp of ~$750. He did some research and found that that particular bike cannot be found anywhere (ie LBS) for $750 and came to the realization that the msrp was not real because there has never been anybody that bought it at that price. He then listed a number of websites that display this information like motobecane.com and assumed that they must be fake websites (which I would disagree with) and concluded that none of this really matters because he is happy with his bike and he thinks he got a killer deal for it.

I think that's an accurate summary.
 

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Also i the article, he investigated and found that some guys in Florida bought the defunct "Motobecane" name after the company went bankrupt. Now they purchase bikes from Taiwan manufacturers who put the old Motobecane logo etc and distribute them in USA. I think there is nothing illegal there.
When SBC (Cingular) can buy AT&T name and sell cell phones using their name to increase the market (even though the product is different), it is normal to do it in other markets: bikes, watches, DVD players, whatever.
Be careful when buying, online or in the stores. At the same time, you may save a lot of money when product design is done outside USA (and you don't feel patriotic at that moment).
 

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My girlfriend just bought an all-Ultegra Motobecane road bike from that site (bikesdirect.com) for $1295 -- same kind of deal, where you could essentially sell the parts for more than the full bike cost! They aren't the most user-friendly store -- no phone number, even! -- but it was totally legit, and it's a really sweet bike for the price... basically, Motos are the exact same frames as Fujis, same factory in Taiwan, same tubeset, probably the same underpaid guy welding them all. Probably a pretty good deal, if you're not too snobby about your name brands....
 

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I've got a question about the BikesDirect 10-day sale linked in the original post. It mentions that these ads are being run for several years only to readers of MTBR. But on the MTBR website, I only see a link to the "standard" BikesDirect website. No 10-day sale is listed. I want to see what they have in subsequent months, but don't know how to view it. any ideas?
 
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