Ok great. Thanks.Granted since this post started in 2004, and has continued since 2012, now it is 2014 and it still may be in question. I have contacted each of the major groups Shimano, Sram, and Campagnolo. Though Campagnolo is mainly all road parts since 1933 still made to this day in Italy where they are more concerned with quality than profit, which is what it is all boiled down to. I prefer to drive a Porsche than drive a chevette.