Can you elaborate? Do you have an example in mind? Are we talking downhill or uphill?Ah yes, but shorter travel bikes can have more control in rough terrain when set up with better suspension....
Yep,Can you elaborate? Do you have an example in mind? Are we talking downhill or uphill?
I used to also own a down country 130/120. You are right for sure that for 75% of the riding it can perform close to the enduro bike. I do feel mentally I ride may be with slight reservations on the shorter bike. May be I just dont feel mentally as safe at bottom out. One example is a big flight of stairs near my house. I still jump off of it ok on the down country bike, but much more cautiously. With the bigger bike, i usually aim at the edge and full sent. Until bikes like the Transition Spur came out, most short travel 120mm bikes have sharper head angles that compard to slack head angles, were just less stable to my intermediate level skills. The big bikes were the only ones that were widely available with such stability geometry. Personally I end up having more fun with big bike after the climb. And confidence/ no reservation is often time the difference that make features fun for my level.
This is a great postYep,
A 130/120 bike with the proper sized stanchions, leverage curve, coil shock, etc., could take a flight of stairs just fine. A spindly 25lb bike with a lightweight air fork, Fox DPS in the rear and XC wheeset/tires would be comparatively horrible on the same section.
Head angle is highly overrated. With giant wagon-wheels and wide bars, if you are endoing you need to buy some more skills. Its more likely you are endoing because you are letting the wheel go sideways and not holding the bars straight, vs. actually flipping upside down on an obstacle, assuming proper skill of weight shift.
But back to the point about travel. If your bike is built well enough, with decent suspension or custom tune, you can often punch above your weight, where a bike in the next class may have more travel, but the suspension on it doesn't actually work better. Even my 4" XC bike with a good shock setup is pretty amazing on how fast I can ride it, vs. a poor setup. In many cases, people just don't know that their suspension holds the bike back. There's something to be said for skills of course, but as you get nearer the limit, you can only do so much with a bike that is out of control.
Can't remember the last time a step sent me over the bars... more stuffing saddle into the backside.I was riding down flights of stairs on bikes from 20-25 years ago so I don’t think head angle is an issue.
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Definitely agree. MY first 29er was a Vassago Jabberwocky frame that I built up in 2008. One of the great things I really loved about that bike after riding nothing but 26" XC race bikes for 17 years, was that it felt like it would take some serious effort to endo. Between the big wheels and "Wet Cat" geometry, it did not take long to get used to being able to drop the front down over stuff that would have had me eating dirt on every other bike I ever owned. And that was with a rigid fork, 675mm bars and a 71 degree HTA.Exactly. Is it adding some stability? Sure. Is it the reason for an endo? No freaking way IMO. That's improper weight placement or tech terrain that whipped the bars crooked. I found someone passed out from a concussion that let the front wheel go sideways off a 1.5 foot roller last year. Was obvious given their position on the ground and the bike. I was around when we transitioned to 29er wheels and guys on 29er XC FS bikes were all of a sudden keeping up with us at South Mountain on the gnar terrain (and I ain't talking about National). They can roll and roll and roll and their HTA was crazy steep. That place is wheel-catcher/tech central and while there have been some helpful things, I'll say it again, HTA is blown way out of proportion. It's definitely below wheel size, bar/stem length, dropper post, weight shift as far as important things IME for clearing tech terrain. Not that I'm advocating steep 72 HTA, I'm just saying that a few degrees does not have the effect that some people claim, in that it's somehow magically preventing endos. I think the other factors have a LOT more to do with endos than HTA.