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I have a couple of industry sources that should be "in the know" telling me that ARC frames are now being welded up off-shore. Anybody else hear of this.
ARC's welded in Taiwan?
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yeah i heard thats true for the 575... keeps the prices much lower. but i also heard the guys overseas are just as good.. and the frames are inspected and assembled back in the US. well haven't heard frames breaking yet and they're still very sexy.. so i'm still looking forward to buying one this summer!
i thought the as asr-sl was still made in the us? hence the higher frame price?
i thought the as asr-sl was still made in the us? hence the higher frame price?
For ages now Tiawan quality has been as good or better than European or USA made frames. Better cos they are geared up for it. They have cornered that market. Everyone and his dog has frames made in Tiawan.
Only now a lot of it is coming out of China...... Tiawan is being bypassed and/or is outsourcing.
My new frame is Chinese. It's my first Chinese made frame. I would have preferred if it were made in the UK or USA (for the kudos), but it was incredibly good value for the money.
I'm an engineer by qualification but now in teaching. My concern isn't that Tiawan or Chinese quality is lacking.. my concern is who will be able to continue buying this stuff when/if other parts of our manufacturing or service industry are given away? My concern is jobs. It's nice to own something built (not just designed) in your own country. I feel like a traitor for buying foreign made goods, but I don't actually have much of a choice. Still, least the good old French are continuing to make their Mavic rims, and the good old Canadians are still producing Blackspire et al. I wonder whether Shimano have migrated to China? Bet they have?
Is SRAM French made?
Only now a lot of it is coming out of China...... Tiawan is being bypassed and/or is outsourcing.
My new frame is Chinese. It's my first Chinese made frame. I would have preferred if it were made in the UK or USA (for the kudos), but it was incredibly good value for the money.
I'm an engineer by qualification but now in teaching. My concern isn't that Tiawan or Chinese quality is lacking.. my concern is who will be able to continue buying this stuff when/if other parts of our manufacturing or service industry are given away? My concern is jobs. It's nice to own something built (not just designed) in your own country. I feel like a traitor for buying foreign made goods, but I don't actually have much of a choice. Still, least the good old French are continuing to make their Mavic rims, and the good old Canadians are still producing Blackspire et al. I wonder whether Shimano have migrated to China? Bet they have?
Is SRAM French made?
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Quality isn't the issue
I'm not concerned with the quality. I am sure it's there. What concerns me is the msrp for an ARC frame is still $1089.
I would expect a much lower msrp (similar to the differential in price between a ASR-SL and 575) for a frame welded in Taiwan.
I'm not concerned with the quality. I am sure it's there. What concerns me is the msrp for an ARC frame is still $1089.
I would expect a much lower msrp (similar to the differential in price between a ASR-SL and 575) for a frame welded in Taiwan.
hey,
what the fu...
when i pay a lot of money for an Yeti, i want to have them made in the US!!
A Yeti welded in Taiwan is NOT an Yeti any more, than it is for me a soulless brand like GT after their insolvency (my old Zaskar had a sticker on it, who welded it, now the Zaskars are soulless Taiwan frames).
It's hard enough, that Parker had left Yeti, but with Taiwan frames they will ruin the brand Yeti completely.
just my two cents
what the fu...
when i pay a lot of money for an Yeti, i want to have them made in the US!!
A Yeti welded in Taiwan is NOT an Yeti any more, than it is for me a soulless brand like GT after their insolvency (my old Zaskar had a sticker on it, who welded it, now the Zaskars are soulless Taiwan frames).
It's hard enough, that Parker had left Yeti, but with Taiwan frames they will ruin the brand Yeti completely.
just my two cents
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Where have you been??? Most Yetis are Taiwan jobs apart from the 303 and ASRs now. I am like you and would never go for a Taiwan bike. Its no because they are poorly made. Its just the fact that I like to support something thats made in the West and not the Far East.
Look how this forum is full of 575 owners. Ask yourself how busy this forum would be if Yeti didnt outsource production. By lowering their prices on Taiwan bikes and slapping their name on them they can tempt a new generation of riders that wouldnt have looked at them before. They are simply milking the market. While trying to keep real bikes in the US.
I would never feel like I owned a Yeti if I didnt have a golden. The only fact that points to the DJ/ASX/575 being Yeti are the stickers. And I still get the feeling that some of them never pass through or see Colorado on their way to their destination. Dosnt make business sense when you think about some routes.
Taiwan to Colorado to Sydney
The same factory probably makes bikes for GT/Specialised/Marin/Kona etc etc
Look how this forum is full of 575 owners. Ask yourself how busy this forum would be if Yeti didnt outsource production. By lowering their prices on Taiwan bikes and slapping their name on them they can tempt a new generation of riders that wouldnt have looked at them before. They are simply milking the market. While trying to keep real bikes in the US.
I would never feel like I owned a Yeti if I didnt have a golden. The only fact that points to the DJ/ASX/575 being Yeti are the stickers. And I still get the feeling that some of them never pass through or see Colorado on their way to their destination. Dosnt make business sense when you think about some routes.
Taiwan to Colorado to Sydney
The same factory probably makes bikes for GT/Specialised/Marin/Kona etc etc
We might all start to miss our Taiwan made frames when more frames start coming out of China. Taiwan is now a fairly rich country, they have a standard of living not far off Japan's. But Taiwan is as much a victom of outsourcing as we are. Manufacturing has been migrating from Taiwan to China. I would imagine there's unemployed pissed off bike builders in America, Europe, and Taiwan.
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So who has confirmed that the ARC is welded in Taiwan? It says made in Colorado on the website.
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I will never really understand this phenomena ...we all want US made frames and then deck 'em out with sh|mano & [email protected] components? The poor quality issue is such a tired myth. Do yourself a favor and purchase that bike, frame or parts locally, which is where the real benefits lie.
The poor quality issue is such a tired myth. Do yourself a favor and purchase that bike, frame or parts locally, which is where the real benefits lie.The real benefits? We need Retail + Manufacturing.Harp said:I will never really understand this phenomena ...we all want US made frames and then deck 'em out with sh|mano & [email protected] components?
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kronik said:
So how are you helping the cause?kronik said:
We live in a global economy driven by price, quality and service. When the first becomes unimportant to consumers we can all go back to designing, building, marketing, selling and servicing under one roof.
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I got a email from Seth @ Yeti confirming that the ARC's are still being built in Colorado. It's odd the website didn't say "Made in Colorado" before. I guess they fixed it.minkhiller said:
It seems that the sources telling me the ARC's were being made elsewhere were wrong.
has anyone taken the time to look at the welds that are coming out of taiwan? they are really damn good. everything is done overseas now i don't see why anyone has a problem with this as long as the quality stays the same, not to mention the costs (most likely) are low, if they welded them in the usa you might have to pay an extra $500-$1000 for the frame
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Welds
I love Yeti but I must say that the welds on the 575s I've seen are really nice. I recently compared an ASR-SL to two 575s at my LBS and the 575s welds WERE BETTER! I am not kidding! I was amazed. And when comparing an ASRs welds to Titus or Ventana it makes Yetis seem even sadder.drdoom said:
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