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Ventana was showing off their new El Capitan, their 4" 4-bar 29"er. The quality of this frame is remarkable and the bike is amazingly well built and free of flex. I realize Sherwood isn't a convert, but this effort is a definite mile marker in the 29"ers journey.

Niner bikes had two of their SS rigs on hand to show off. Francis raced one and Leslie the other. (Anyone care to let us know how they did?) Niner hinted at a full-suspension bike on the drawing board. Fingers crossed, guys!!!

Van Dessel looks to be back in action. The new EBB Buzz Bomb hardtail and the 4" Horst equipped full suspension have smooth aluminum finishes with refined graphics. Owner Edwin, who I finally had the pleasure to meet, informed me that his road riding stops in the winter and he spends all of his time aboard a 29"er, which he fully appreciates the benefit of. That explains why he was offering the Buzz Bomb back in 2001 yet has never developed a 26" bike.

All eyes on White Brothers. I chatted a bit with the crew working their booth, and it's apparant there is some good stuff in store for us in the near future. I got my first runs on their low pressure BW forks after the past 2.5 years on their high-pressure CX-1, and OMG what a ride!

Took a spin on the Salsa Dos Niner. It is what it is: feels remarkably similar to my hardtail with a Thudbuster when seated, but continues to round off the terrain when standing, whether climbing or descending. I could never feel the shock moving under me, but the guys swore it sagged when I sat on it, and the travel marked showed it was working out on the course. If I recall correctly, it took an amazingly low 25 PSI for my 200 pounds, so I figure tuning this thing will require pump precision down to a single digit of air pressure.
 

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How about Infringeabars?

Hollywood said:
Jeff Jones was there racing his ti SS 29" and cruising the venue on a geared model.

Also spotted was a ti Jericho 29" with new "triple bullmoose H-Bar-style-bars" (my term)

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In that last photo it looks like Jeff is thinking, "Gotta call my lawyer on Monday."

Check out the chain stays on that bike also.

That guy Edwin mopped up the sport class and not just his age group either, but all of them by over 4 minutes it looks like, and him from Joisey too :) Into 29"ers, makes them, rides them hard, looks like a good MOTY candidate to me.....
 

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Maybe a 29"er doesn't need a short chainstay per se, but it doesn't seem to have kept Jeff from making it happen anyway. That must be his new secret bike? And with a front derailer as well!

Oh man, with unlimited funds, and so much bent ti in a bike, who cares about softtails? :)
With that extra sleck seat tube to correct for the bend, I bet that bike is even more plush than the standard fully compliant design. Great stuff.

Those Jericho Bars...nice if you're pretty sure on what stem you think you need for the bike you ordered along with it :) Does that handlebar only look wider than a stock Jones?

The new Van Dessel FS sounds like a very potent race option, great to have such a dedicated builder backing us.

Thanks for the reports guys, keep them and the pics coming!

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Maybe a 29"er doesn't need a short chainstay per se, but it doesn't seem to have kept Jeff from making it happen anyway. That must be his new secret bike? And with a front derailer as well!
Short CS is not all. Check out the pinch bolts forward of the rear dropouts.
 

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Bigwheel said:
Short CS is not all. Check out the pinch bolts forward of the rear dropouts.
Yep, non-EBB chain tensioning. We talked about that the last time I rode with Jeff. Lighter and simpler than EBB.
 

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I'm lost.
Ok, if you notice the chainstay there are pinch bolts just in front of the rear axle. That is extendable. You can effectively lengthen the chainstay to tension the chain. This bike has a standard bottom bracket (not EBB) in it. The chainstay length is....16.4"!
 

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Hollywood said:
Jeff Jones was there racing his ti SS 29" and cruising the venue on a geared model.
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yea I got a good close-up of the Jones on Saturday. He was running it as a 2x4...32-22 up front, and I'm not sure what in back, but he said it gives him every gear he needs. It was my impression after talking with him though, that he was just converting it to SS for the race, not that he actually had two bikes there...one geared, one SS. The rear wheel was dishless w/CK SS hub which he slid 4 cogs onto.

"Me: So Jeff, how much would one of those frames cost someone?
Jeff: Well, my wait list is over 2 years now, so I'm not actually taking any new orders, but something like this would cost around $3-4k, depending.
Me: Uh, ok. Good luck tomorrow."

oof. his $1k worth of wiggle room is more than either of my 29er frames cost themselves!!
 

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ah, guess I interpreted the separate sightings as two different bikes.

and don't forget to put aside $1k for the ti fork... :D

Art is expensive!

tamjam said:
It was my impression after talking with him though, that he was just converting it to SS for the race, not that he actually had two bikes there...one geared, one SS.

"Me: So Jeff, how much would one of those frames cost someone?
Jeff: Well, my wait list is over 2 years now, so I'm not actually taking any new orders, but something like this would cost around $3-4k, depending.
Me: Uh, ok. Good luck tomorrow."

oof. his $1k worth of wiggle room is more than either of my 29er frames cost themselves!!
 

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no infrigment

the patent only covers the bar not a custom bar stem combo he came by and checked them out.
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In that last photo it looks like Jeff is thinking, "Gotta call my lawyer on Monday."

Check out the chain stays on that bike also.

That guy Edwin mopped up the sport class and not just his age group either, but all of them by over 4 minutes it looks like, and him from Joisey too :) Into 29"ers, makes them, rides them hard, looks like a good MOTY candidate to me.....
 

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Hollywood said:
Also spotted was a ti Jericho 29" with new "triple bullmoose H-Bar-style-bars" (my term)

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The guy holding the Jericho is Chris Cosentino, who was riding for planet x last year. We were working on a ti 29er project with him, but so much conspired against us he ended up riding the whole year on his Spot, wearing a planet x jersey!

he rode jones bars and loved them, and helped me persuade our Dave that my Mary bars weren't such a dumb idea.

as we never got our sh!t together on his frame, we parted company and I guess he's ended up at Jericho. Whether or not those bars will reach production, I don't know, and as far as I can tell they infringe Jeff's patent application - but I don't know if that was ever granted.
 

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Ok, if you notice the chainstay there are pinch bolts just in front of the rear axle. That is extendable. You can effectively lengthen the chainstay to tension the chain. This bike has a standard bottom bracket (not EBB) in it. The chainstay length is....16.4"!
Are the seatstays adjustable too? I don't see pinch bolts on them. How do you move the chainstays without moving the seatstays? We need closeups!
 

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Oh my. Someone stop this man, he's just got too good ideas! With all the spare time on my hand I crack my head on ways to tension a chain, and look what he comes up with. Maybe some people on his waiting list will be able to get it if they want to.
Gotta love it, with a 2 year waiting list, he comes up with what others would call a new model, and doesn't take orders for it.

16.4" chainstays, that's 41.65mm. WOW!

And that fork is probably his rumoured 60mm offset one as well.
The only thing magazine subscribers will recognize from that bike is probably the Thomson and Shimano parts. Guess what I'll be making a deposit on when I hit the jackpott?
 

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Perhaps adjsuting the chainstays just slightly preloads the seatstays/toptube?

www.espacenet.com will give you Jeff's application, it's public. Haven't checked the legal status lately.

Ha, if there's one thing you DON'T want off a production line, it's a fully integrated titanium stem/H-Bar combo. Even if the stem reach works out for you, chances are : the bar angle and rise won't. Okay, you don't get the bars to slip, like ever, but that's also the main disadvantage. It takes more than one ride to find the sweet spots on both settings.

OT : Does WTB have a monopoly for use on x-rated 29" bike porn? It's been some time since I saw a different seat on a hot bike. Too bad I can't get them too easily here.
 

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Hmm. I didn't know he had a patent on the integrated bar/stem combo. Post a link. I'd like to read it.
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdes?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US2004244526&F=0&QPN=US2004244526

Description of US2004244526

[0001] The present patent application claims priority to U.S. Provisional Patent Application Ser. No. 60/475,858 which is incorporated by reference.

BACKGROUND
[0002] Bicycles are well known means of human transportation that typically include: a frame, a seat, a fork, front and rear wheels, cranks, pedals, a gear mechanism and handlebars. The front wheel is mounted in the fork which is ........snip......e to the center bar. The inventive bar may be 26 inches wide at the lower ends. In an alternative embodiment, the side bars may only protrude 3 inches or less forward of the center and only provide sufficient length for attaching the brake/shift levers.
[0032] While the present invention has been described in terms of a preferred embodiment above, those skilled in the art will readily appreciate that numerous modifications, substitutions and additions may be made to the disclosed embodiment without departing from the spirit and scope of the present invention. Those skilled in the art will readily appreciate that various other modifications are within the scope of the invention. For example, both the center bar and the end bars may be curved or deformed for improved hand comfort. Other components can be attached to the inventive bar to accommodate such items as lights, heart monitors, cyclometers and water bottle cages. Further, the inventive handlebar can be made with an integrated stem so the entire structure is a single piece which can be connected directly to the fork. Although the brake and shift levers are illustrated as being attached to the inventive bar with a clamp it is also possible for the levers to be attached with any other type of mechanical fastener. For example, the handlebar may have tapped holes and the levers may be bolted directly to the handlebars. It is intended that all such modifications, substitutions and additions fall within the scope of the present invention that is best defined by the claims below.
 
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