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Anyone using p35 rims?

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djembe975

Discussion Starter · Feb 25, 2011

I just ordered a P35 wheel set to go on my Beasley and wanted to know if anyone is using them. If so, how much wider did it make your tires? I'm using Neo Motos 2.3 front and rear and want to avoid any potential clearance issues in the rear.

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derby

· #2 · Feb 27, 2011

With the Neo-moto 2.3 there will be virtually no tire clearance change going to a 35mm wide rim from any smaller rim width. Because the knobs will remain the widest section of the tires. In fact the more "square" profile of the Neo-moto 2.3 with the wider rim actually makes the widest point of the tread slightly narrower. I've measured the difference, it's about 1 mm narrower on my P35 compared to the same tire on my 28mm Blunt rim.

The air volume increases so you can use much lower air pressure for a smoother ride and bigger tire patch. And the more "squared" tread gains edge grip when cornering.

Using the same tire with a wider rim, there is a little slower rolling resistance on smooth hardpack form the bigger tire patch, but less rolling resistance over gravel, sand, loamy, and rocks from lower pressures and bigger tire patch.

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umassracer

· #3 · Feb 28, 2011

This is a Call-Out for Mr. A. Nony Moose because he is all about the P35
Hopefully he wil check in to sing his praises of the P35, because man, he loves him some Velocity P35s with the widest 650b tires he can get his hands on.
FYI: I'm an XC geek from way back, and my 650b rig opts to run Blunts w/2.1 IRD Fire XC Pro

A. Nony Moose

· #4 · Feb 28, 2011

I saw the 'Moose Signal' in the sky and here I am. :thumbsup:

I echo Der-B's comments and add that the additional width increases stability and combined with the extra volume, makes for a sweet ride. I suspect zero clearance issues on the Beasley, especially since it was designed around B wheels..

umassracer

· #5 · Feb 28, 2011

Biff!Sock!Pow! A.NonyMoose kocks em out

Thanks for your rim/tire input, but before you climb aboard your 650b NonyMoose Cycle, may I suggest that you check your tubeless tire pressure cuz it looks a bit low.

Any consideration given to running the WTB LaserDisc Trail rim, b-cuz for the Beasley clearance issue it may work out well? The LD Trail is 27mm wide and when matched-up w/Neo Moto or Nevegal 2.35 it should leave a pretty big footprint yet with the LD's 17.5 rim height proper fitment should be fine.

Personal Experiences/Thoughts/Comments with the WTB rim and various tire combos?

TNC

· #6 · Mar 1, 2011

Kirk sent me a red P35 for testing when Velocity was preparing them for distribution. I've been running that rim laced to a Hope convertible hub on the front of an aggressively ridden Nomad since that time. This was an easy wheel build due to the rim design integrity. I've been running the 2.3 NeoMoto in tubeless mode with bulletproof results. The footprint of the Neo on this rim is just about perfect for aggressive riding. The weight to strength ratio on the P35 is darned good for such a wide rim. After the first ride bed-in of the spokes, I haven't needed any adjustment truing to this wheel using 14/15 double-butted DT spokes. Local riding involves tons of rocks, ledges, and ruts, and the wheel has been outstanding. Here's a pic from this weekend's ride.

I've been debating getting a black P35 to replace the red one Kirk sent for a more style conscious approach, but Pfffft!...this one is working great.

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djembe975

Discussion Starter · #7 · Mar 1, 2011

TNC said:
Kirk sent me a red P35 for testing when Velocity was preparing them for distribution. I've been running that rim laced to a Hope convertible hub on the front of an aggressively ridden Nomad since that time. This was an easy wheel build due to the rim design integrity. I've been running the 2.3 NeoMoto in tubeless mode with bulletproof results. The footprint of the Neo on this rim is just about perfect for aggressive riding. The weight to strength ratio on the P35 is darned good for such a wide rim. After the first ride bed-in of the spokes, I haven't needed any adjustment truing to this wheel using 14/15 double-butted DT spokes. Local riding involves tons of rocks, ledges, and ruts, and the wheel has been outstanding. Here's a pic from this weekend's ride.

I've been debating getting a black P35 to replace the red one Kirk sent for a more style conscious approach, but Pfffft!...this one is working great.

That red rim looks good. I ordered a red set as well. I'll post up my semi custom build as soon as all the parts come in.

MMcG

· #8 · Mar 2, 2011

I was just about to order a set off ebay and then blammo - they went back up to $399.00 - What the F!??

Was it/is it post NAHBS pricing increases?

They were $219.00 with free shipping at one point. Argh!

TNC

· #9 · Mar 2, 2011

MMcG said:
I was just about to order a set off ebay and then blammo - they went back up to $399.00 - What the F!??

Was it/is it post NAHBS pricing increases?

They were $219.00 with free shipping at one point. Argh!

Wow!...now that's superinflation at an obscene level.

Ratman

· #10 · Mar 2, 2011

My $219.00 650B Wheelset Nightmare....

MMcG said:
I was just about to order a set off ebay and then blammo - they went back up to $399.00 - What the F!??

Was it/is it post NAHBS pricing increases?

They were $219.00 with free shipping at one point. Argh!

I ordered that same set for $200.00 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately what showed up on my doorstep was a VERY poorly built set of wheels. I contacted the seller and sent photos of the wheels only to get (what I felt was) the run around from the seller when I told them about the condition that the wheelset was in when it arrived.

I ended up taking the wheelset to three different local bike shops to get opinions and all three shops said the wheels needed to be rebuilt. I had the shop that I was most familiar with rebuild them for $50 per wheel. So now my killer deal and 650B experiment is up to $300 plus the $80 that I spent on a set WTB 650B tires (also purchased from the same seller).

In defense of seller they did offer to send me out a new set after several back and forth e-mails with me debating the safety of the wheels but I never heard an offer from the seller to absorb those additional shipping costs which I kinda felt like was their responsibility.

In hind sight I probably would have saved money just letting them ship me out a new set but there was a 3 or 4 day delay between my last e-mail message and the sellers reply and feeling that I had been blown off by the seller, I already had the wheels at my LBS being worked on by the time the replacement offer was made.

Up to this point E-Bay experience has been rock solid but it seems like my last two or three transactions have been downright suck-ish.... I've even held off on even giving the seller an E-Bay feedback rating because I don't want to give an "impulse" rating which at this point is likely to be negative. It is also unlikely that I will ever do business with this seller again.

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MMcG

· #11 · Mar 2, 2011

Yeah - no kidding.

keen

· #12 · Mar 2, 2011

Ratman said:
I ordered that same set for $200.00 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately what showed up on my doorstep was a VERY poorly built set of wheels. I contacted the seller and sent photos of the wheels only to get (what I felt was) the run around from the seller when I told them about the condition that the wheelset was in when it arrived.

I ended up taking the wheelset to three different local bike shops to get opinions and all three shops said the wheels needed to be rebuilt. I had the shop that I was most familiar with rebuild them for $50 per wheel. So now my killer deal and 650B experiment is up to $300 plus the $80 that I spent on a set WTB 650B tires (also purchased from the same seller).

In defense of seller they did offer to send me out a new set after several back and forth e-mails with me debating the safety of the wheels but I never heard an offer from the seller to absorb those additional shipping costs which I kinda felt like was their responsibility.

In hind sight I probably would have saved money just letting them ship me out a new set but there was a 3 or 4 day delay between my last e-mail message and the sellers reply and feeling that I had been blown off by the seller, I already had the wheels at my LBS being worked on by the time the replacement offer was made.

Up to this point E-Bay experience has been rock solid but it seems like my last two or three transactions have been downright suck-ish.... I've even held off on even giving the seller an E-Bay feedback rating because I don't want to give an "impulse" rating which at this point is likely to be negative. It is also unlikely that I will ever do business with this seller again.

I don't have much tolerance for poor ebay sellers. If you had a bad experience let the feedback reflect, that way the next guy is in the know and the seller might rethink his sales practices.

MMcG

· #13 · Mar 2, 2011

Ratman said:
I ordered that same set for $200.00 a few weeks ago. Unfortunately what showed up on my doorstep was a VERY poorly built set of wheels. I contacted the seller and sent photos of the wheels only to get (what I felt was) the run around from the seller when I told them about the condition that the wheelset was in when it arrived.

I ended up taking the wheelset to three different local bike shops to get opinions and all three shops said the wheels needed to be rebuilt. I had the shop that I was most familiar with rebuild them for $50 per wheel. So now my killer deal and 650B experiment is up to $300 plus the $80 that I spent on a set WTB 650B tires (also purchased from the same seller).

In defense of seller they did offer to send me out a new set after several back and forth e-mails with me debating the safety of the wheels but I never heard an offer from the seller to absorb those additional shipping costs which I kinda felt like was their responsibility.

In hind sight I probably would have saved money just letting them ship me out a new set but there was a 3 or 4 day delay between my last e-mail message and the sellers reply and feeling that I had been blown off by the seller, I already had the wheels at my LBS being worked on by the time the replacement offer was made.

Up to this point E-Bay experience has been rock solid but it seems like my last two or three transactions have been downright suck-ish.... I've even held off on even giving the seller an E-Bay feedback rating because I don't want to give an "impulse" rating which at this point is likely to be negative. It is also unlikely that I will ever do business with this seller again.

Thanks for sharing that story.

Ratman

· #14 · Mar 2, 2011

MMcG said:
Thanks for sharing that story.

In case anybody is interested here are a few photos of the rear wheel. The arrows indicate the areas I perceived to be potential problems.....

The front wheel had similar spoke/tension issues.

Bicycle tire Bicycle wheel rim Bicycle part Spoke Rim

Bicycle tire Bicycle wheel rim Spoke Rim Bicycle accessory

Bicycle wheel rim Spoke Rim Line Bicycle tire

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djembe975

Discussion Starter · #15 · Mar 2, 2011

Ratman said:
In case anybody is interested here are a few photos of the rear wheel. The arrows indicate the areas I perceived to be potential problems.....

The front wheel had similar spoke/tension issues.

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So that's what my wheel set is going to look like... I"m keeping my fingers crossed. I may not be an expert wheel builder but that spoke pattern looks odd and a bit off.

newfangled

· #16 · Mar 2, 2011

^ I got a set from the same place as Ratman, and they don't have any of the wonky bent spokes. I haven't ridden mine yet though, because I'm still waiting for other parts.

They might be a bit undertensioned, so I'm debating untensioning them until I can see spoke threads, and then retensioning from scratch. I don't know that it's necessary, but I've also got time to kill. It's tough to complain too much, since it was cheaper to buy the wheels than the individual parts would have been. I may even use the "savings" to pick up a tensiometer.

djembe975

Discussion Starter · #17 · Mar 2, 2011

I found out through contacting the seller that the wheel sets are built by J&B distribution so chances are they came bent from them and then shipped out.

I also asked if they inspect them prior to shipping and was told that they don't even bother because they've been dealing with J&B and trust their work and that's why I asked them to send me an inspected set but who knows if they actually took the time to inspect them and if they get damaged by FedEX on route.

M_S

· #18 · Mar 3, 2011

Looks undertensioned.

derby

· #19 · Mar 3, 2011

Even with a very loose spoke or two, it looks like they just need truing. That's a normal risk when buying cheep new wheels. Your LBS could true both wheels for about $15.

Mail order is always a risk that you will have to pay shipping for a return or exchange.

Ratman

· #20 · Mar 3, 2011

derby said:
Even with a very loose spoke or two, it looks like they just need truing. That's a normal risk when buying cheep new wheels. Your LBS could true both wheels for about $15.

Mail order is always a risk that you will have to pay shipping for a return or exchange.

Yeah Derby,

You're probably right. The points you've expressed above certainly seem to be the same opinions that the seller had when I tried to find a happy resolution to my problem. My only push back would be that the seller originally listed, and is currently listing these wheels at $399.99. I might be in the minority here but while I don't consider $399.99 to be a "high-end" set of wheels, I still don't consider that price point to be a cheap set of wheels either. If I paid $400 instead of the $200 that I ended up paying with my "Best Offer" bid, I would have taken a much more aggressive approach with getting this resolved. Also, 3 different local bike shops in my area all seem to think that the wheels needed more work than a simple $15 true. As it stands, when I informed the seller that my LBS charged me $100 to rebuild both wheels because the spoke tension was way off, the seller replied with "Good. I'm glad things worked out for you." Seriously?!?!?!? How does my having to spend another $100 to properly true and tension a brand new set of wheels equal things working out for me??? I just don't get it.....

At the end of the day I think that my experience was one of those rare situations where a bad product slips out the door. I think the seller could have done more to fix this (like answer my e-mails in a timely fashion) but that too is probably just sour grapes on my part. The real moral to this story is that what I really need to do is to learn to build and maintain my own wheels. That way I have nobody to blame for *****ty workmanship but me.....

For what its worth I spec'd out the same build using the Universal Cycles dot com custom wheel builder tool and the build priced out to be well over the $300 I ended up paying.

My apologies to the OP for sort of hijacking his thread. Hopefully we can spin this thing back on topic. :thumbsup:

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