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I have 2 of these now and just installed them.

On the older models, 2018 - 2021, I used to run the remote cable housing without the barrel adjust/ ferrels. - essentially a straight shot of cable and housing from remote to fork.

However, doing it this way on the 2022 models, the 3 position remote does not have enough pull to lock the fork out.

When I put the barrel adjust on and tensioned the cable enough so that it would lock out, it seems there is a clunking sound upon compression of the fork - as it would if it wasn't fully open.

Did Fox screw up by using the older style remotes?

Does anyone know of any other remote with a longer pull that could be used as a substitute?

Thanks.

 

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I am using one with an Orbea Squidlock leaver. Works as designed.
Position 1: Front locked, Rear locked
Position 2: Front open: Rear stiffened
Position 3: Front open, rear open.

 

[seitenryu]

I have 2 of these now and just installed them.

On the older models, 2018 - 2021, I used to run the remote cable housing without the barrel adjust/ ferrels. - essentially a straight shot of cable and housing from remote to fork.

However, doing it this way on the 2022 models, the 3 position remote does not have enough pull to lock the fork out.

When I put the barrel adjust on and tensioned the cable enough so that it would lock out, it seems there is a clunking sound upon compression of the fork - as it would if it wasn't fully open.

Did Fox screw up by using the older style remotes?

Does anyone know of any other remote with a longer pull that could be used as a substitute?

Thanks.

Fox makes 3 different remote damper versions now.

PTU
PTL
3Pos PTL(Scott etc)

The first 2 are the same as before(2017-2021(?), but the last reverts to the original Fox CTD cable pull. Squidlock is not a true 3 position remote, it only adds a position between the existing 2. They did this to simply the spec for their bikes, and the PTU that comes stock is lower friction.

As far as I've seen, Fox doesn't make a proper 3 position PTL remote anymore, and instead you must use a third party remote. Twinlock is probably your best bet if you have that damper.

 

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Fox makes 3 different remote damper versions now.

PTU
PTL
3Pos PTL(Scott etc)

The first 2 are the same as before(2017-2021(?), but the last reverts to the original Fox CTD cable pull. Squidlock is not a true 3 position remote, it only adds a position between the existing 2. They did this to simply the spec for their bikes, and the PTU that comes stock is lower friction.

As far as I've seen, Fox doesn't make a proper 3 position PTL remote anymore, and instead you must use a third party remote. Twinlock is probably your best bet if you have that damper.

Why would you buy the Fox fork and have to revert to a third party remote?

There is a remote that comes with the 2022 forks and looks the exact same as those from prior years. It does however have a stop or detent somewhat in the middle, for the middle position.

The full throw of this remote however is not long enough to obtain full lockout. If you want full lockout, you have to turn the barrel adjust until the full throw is able to engage the lockout.

UNLESS YOU HAVE ONE OF THE 2022 MODELS WITH PUSH TO LOCK YOU CANNOT SPECULATE OR MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.

Fox doesn't even have all the info on their site yet.

Maybe they intend to change the remote, and for now this is just a band aid, but it's dumb.

I also noticed that if you weight the front end while pushing the release mechanism button, the spring does not release. It sticks. This never happened with the Push to Unlock forks I have had in the past.

@LMN, yes, we know. On your Orbea. I don't have an Orbea and I don't need a lockout on my shock.

 

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@LMN, yes, we know. On your Orbea. I don't have an Orbea and I don't need a lockout on my shock.

Why so snarky?

You asked if specifically "Does anyone know of any other remote with a longer pull that could be used as a substitute?"

I shared what I am using.

 

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Why so snarky?

You asked if specifically "Does anyone know of any other remote with a longer pull that could be used as a substitute?"

I shared what I am using.

Position 1: Front locked, Rear locked
Position 2: Front open: Rear stiffened
Position 3: Front open, rear open.

What is position 1? This doesn't sound like Push to Lock. Most people would assume position 1 to be "as installed" for lack of better words. Or as shown.

If your position 1 is like this, then how can it be locked? Well, unless your ORBEA is push to unlock, which is not what I was asking.

And what year is your Orbea? Did it just arrive because the new 2022 forks just barely arrived.

 

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And BTW, Squidlocks are unavailable right now as far as I can tell.

 

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Position 1: Front locked, Rear locked
Position 2: Front open: Rear stiffened
Position 3: Front open, rear open.

What is position 1? This doesn't sound like Push to Lock. Most people would assume position 1 to be "as installed" for lack of better words. Or as shown.
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If your position 1 is like this, then how can it be locked? Well, unless your ORBEA is push to unlock, which is not what I was asking.

And what year is your Orbea? Did it just arrive because the new 2022 forks just barely arrived.

My mistake, my bike is push to unlock. Should work the same though, with position's 1 and 3 swapped.

As for the fork, I get stuff way before they are released. The fork also worked find with the traditional 2 position Fox lockout. But I don't think that is what you are looking for.

 

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Should work the same though, with position's 1 and 3 swapped.

It won't work the same. Here's why.

Go look at the Fox site and the video they have about installing the U-Cup and spring with their special tool.

When you install it on a Push to Unlock, they show setting the fork to fully locked (with a wrench) before installing the spring and cup. This then is it's default position. As you push your remote, it only has to move a small amount to be open. That is how these forks work.

However, in Push to lock, if your default is fully open, then it never pulls enough for it to lock out.

I'm just going to change it over to Push to unlock (I have an old cup and spring with the proper cable location) and be done with it, but Fox just made a bunch of stuff that doesn't work all that well. And your average Joe will probably be like WTF.

 

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Background on why Fox encourages push to unlock.

In muddy conditions the return spring on the fork often gets jammed stopping the fork from locking out, if push to unlock or unlock if push to lock. Obviously if your fork is going to get stuck in one position you would prefer it to be stuck in unlocked.

In your case, I would suggest making sure the return spring is functioning properly. If you have recently ridden in the wet that might have cause an issue or your fork might have come with a burr from factory and isn't returning smoothly. I have seen the ladder.

 

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It won't work the same. Here's why.

Go look at the Fox site and the video they have about installing the U-Cup and spring with their special tool.

When you install it on a Push to Unlock, they show setting the fork to fully locked (with a wrench) before installing the spring and cup. This then is it's default position. As you push your remote, it only has to move a small amount to be open. That is how these forks work.

Not sure on that. I have used the same remote with zero issues on forks that are Push to Unlock or Push to Lock. The only thing that changes is positions on the remote.

 

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Background on why Fox encourages push to unlock.

In muddy conditions the return spring on the fork often gets jammed stopping the fork from locking out, if push to unlock or unlock if push to lock. Obviously if your fork is going to get stuck in one position you would prefer it to be stuck in unlocked.

In your case, I would suggest making sure the return spring is functioning properly. If you have recently ridden in the wet that might have cause an issue or your fork might have come with a burr from factory and isn't returning smoothly. I have seen the ladder.

As mentioned, I have 2 of these.

 

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Not sure on that. I have used the same remote with zero issues on forks that are Push to Unlock or Push to Lock. The only thing that changes is positions on the remote.

Go watch the video.

 

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Go watch the video.

I have a lot of experience working on forks, I know exactly how the system works. I watch that video just about every single time I rebuild a lockout assembly. Push to lock, or push to unlock is irrelevant, as long you set it up right and everything is working as it should, the same lever works with both. That is why fox doesn't sell different levers.

Just throwing it out there but have you tried just setting the cable a bit tighter with set screw? That is what I always found I had to do with push to lock.

 

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Why would you buy the Fox fork and have to revert to a third party remote?

There is a remote that comes with the 2022 forks and looks the exact same as those from prior years. It does however have a stop or detent somewhat in the middle, for the middle position.

The full throw of this remote however is not long enough to obtain full lockout. If you want full lockout, you have to turn the barrel adjust until the full throw is able to engage the lockout.

UNLESS YOU HAVE ONE OF THE 2022 MODELS WITH PUSH TO LOCK YOU CANNOT SPECULATE OR MAKE ASSUMPTIONS.

Fox doesn't even have all the info on their site yet.

Maybe they intend to change the remote, and for now this is just a band aid, but it's dumb.

I also noticed that if you weight the front end while pushing the release mechanism button, the spring does not release. It sticks. This never happened with the Push to Unlock forks I have had in the past.

@LMN, yes, we know. On your Orbea. I don't have an Orbea and I don't need a lockout on my shock.
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1) The aftermarket remotes are of superior quality and usually have built in cable tension adjustment

2) That's interesting, I've only setup OEM 2022 forks(with Orbea remote) and converted the same fork you speak of to PTU. A picture of the detent would nice to see.

3) Anyone here with experience can speculate on this. You clearly don't have the answer, otherwise you wouldn't be asking.

4) I'll assume it does pull enough cable, you simply haven't set it up properly. They instruct you to do it with a barrel adjuster, because the margin for correct setup is slim. You must ease up to just locked out. If it didn't work this way, it may be possible to damage the selector. Another reason PTU was developed.

5) I doubt they intend to change it, since the whole reason was OEMs with their own remote, and bikes with convoluted cable routing. The Scott remote has a very positive feel. The old big CTD remote should work too, if you can find one.

6) You're lucky you haven't experienced lockout delay with PTU. We've had numerous complaints about both versions of FIT4 dampers. It's not possible to rectify it, due to the design. You may get lucky, or simply tolerate it, but when it's bad we switch to Grip. It doesn't have that issue.

 

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I was wondering this too, i have 2022 34sc PTL that i installed using a sram twistloc. The twistloc and the included 2 position fox remote have exactly the same cable travel, 10mm if i recall, but im having the same issue. Either the barrel adjuster is tightened so much that it starts adding compression to the damper, or it doesnt fully lockout.. have been baffled by it but havbent got around to call fox yet. somethings weird..

 

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I was wondering this too, i have 2022 34sc PTL that i installed using a sram twistloc. The twistloc and the included 2 position fox remote have exactly the same cable travel, 10mm if i recall, but im having the same issue. Either the barrel adjuster is tightened so much that it starts adding compression to the damper, or it doesnt fully lockout.. have been baffled by it but havbent got around to call fox yet. somethings weird..

Is this a 2Pos PTL fork? There is a 3Pos version as well. Does the Fox remote only have 2 clicks?

The Twistloc remote is garbage. It does use 10mm cable pull, just as the rest of current RS remotes. Nothing else to say about that.

Can you share the tune code, serial, or a picture of the box?

 

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Its definitely a PTL, but you are right, it is a 3 position version, just checked the serial #. But either way the fox remote that come with it (which is the newer compact version) only has a total of 10mm cable throw, after both clicks, which isn't enough to lockout with out tightening the barrel a bunch past full open when released, so something is still up. Why would they include that remote if it doesnt have enough throw..? This was a new retail fork in box, not oem. Gonna try and call Fox sometime soon..

And yeah that's what ive heard about the twistloc too, but with about a year on it now, its been great for me. Was using it with my SID UIt prior. If it keeps working i'll take it any day over the fox one so i can have my dropper lever where i want it..

Is this a 2Pos PTL fork? There is a 3Pos version as well. Does the Fox remote only have 2 clicks?

The Twistloc remote is garbage. It does use 10mm cable pull, just as the rest of current RS remotes. Nothing else to say about that.

Can you share the tune code, serial, or a picture of the box?

 

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Its definitely a PTL, but you are right, it is a 3 position version, just checked the serial #. But either way the fox remote that come with it (which is the newer compact version) only has a total of 10mm cable throw, after both clicks, which isn't enough to lockout with out tightening the barrel a bunch past full open when released, so something is still up. Why would they include that remote if it doesnt have enough throw..? This was a new retail fork in box, not oem.

That is a weird situation. Now I'm wondering if it's a packing error. Seems others are having this issue too. I didn't think they had brought out a new remote design.

Can you try to measure the cable pull needed? The older CTD remotes used ~17mm.

 

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Yeah I'll try and get a good measurement when I'm home later but from memory by how far I have to turn the barrel out I'm thinking 17mm it's just about right. I recall the barrel being at least a 1/4" extended, after cable slack taken up, so thats almost exactly 17 total..

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