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Looks like a Flite, but it has either had the decals removed or they bought it without. Either way just seeing the hack half leads me to believe it is at least the same frame as the Flite, but not branded.
 

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I have one of these unmarked "prototype" Flites. Sette was not the only company to sell this exact frame, there was another company that marketed them as well. Buffalo cycles or something like that. I'll post it if I find it.

In those SRAM videos and I believe on Sette's frames, the bracket for the lower shock mount has straight lines and a right angle bend. On my frame the bracket has a lower profile and has a curved bend. See below:



EDIT: OK, found it. Harvey Cycles sells exactly the same frame. Well, not exactly, but close. The downtube has a different shape.
https://www.harveycycles.com/PNF.html
 

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So, just curious, what's the general consensous these days? would the sette be better,or how would it be different, with a horst link. Maybe it's a bit of a trollish question, but i have an azonic saber, which has the horst link but is otherwise very similar in layout,more heavily gusseted ,leaning a bit more towards AM/freeride, but similar enough to be compared.
 

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herbn said:
So, just curious, what's the general consensous these days? would the sette be better,or how would it be different, with a horst link. Maybe it's a bit of a trollish question, but i have an azonic saber, which has the horst link but is otherwise very similar in layout,more heavily gusseted ,leaning a bit more towards AM/freeride, but similar enough to be compared.
That's a good question. I've often wondered how the exact same bike would ride with a Horst link instead of a faux bar. I have read that it doesn't make much of a difference, and I have never been on a Horst link bike except a quick parking lot test, so I can't really compare the two. I think the main advantage of Horst is less brake jack. In a faux bar design the rear wheel has the same wheel path as a single pivot bike, and the only thing that's different is the leverage ratio curve. The company that makes the bikes, Astro Engineering of Taiwan, has a version of the Sette frame with a Horst link. Perhaps Sette/Pricepoint will sell those at one point?

If someone has a copy of Linkage, they could draw up both frames and plot the wheel path and leverage ratio for comparison.
 

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What is the Flite suspension design called?
It's a four-bar design with a seatstay pivot, called "faux bar" to distinguish it from the Horst link with its chainstay pivot. The two linkages are exactly the same, but in the faux bar the "output crank" (bar that wheel is attached to) is the same as the "input" crank (chainstays), so it works very similar to a single pivot.
 

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Serious, really?

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That's a good question. I think the main advantage of Horst is less brake jack. In a faux bar design the rear wheel has the same wheel path as a single pivot bike
I hear this all the time. brake jack, Brake Jack BRAKE JACK! I'm sure in the race scene it matters, but in recreation riding, which most of us do, why does this come up as a negative so often?? What did we do for sooo long without the fancy wheeel paths. I don't see SC changing the SL/Heckler models much thru out the years.

So, I have question, can't most of the infamous brake jack syndrom be simply corrected by EFFECTIVE BRAKING?? Just say'n. :cool:

Edit: Does anyone suffer with this problem on their Flite???
 

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derailin_palin said:
It's a four-bar design with a seatstay pivot, called "faux bar" to distinguish it from the Horst link with its chainstay pivot. The two linkages are exactly the same, but in the faux bar the "output crank" (bar that wheel is attached to) is the same as the "input" crank (chainstays), so it works very similar to a single pivot.
At the end of the day very few of us are racing with these bikes. With all the different suspension types, do they really make that big of a difference for us recreational riders?
 

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If you take your recreation seriously, it might. For example, you might not be a racer, but you enjoy going down fast and climbing efficiently. As for the specifics of horst vs faux bar, I've haven't put a horst bike through its paces sufficiently to give an opinion on that.
 

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derailin_palin said:
If you take your recreation seriously, it might. For example, you might not be a racer, but you enjoy going down fast and climbing efficiently. As for the specifics of horst vs faux bar, I've haven't put a horst bike through its paces sufficiently to give an opinion on that.
I'd really like to know the difference on how they both work and if the Horst is really any better.

Aside from doing a search on the forum, do you have any good links comparing both?
 

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when i rode a mtn cycle san andreas as a xc bike and eventually converted it into a dh bike,it was pretty much the rule to be really good with using the front brake and the back suspension was set up kind of soft so a little rear brake wouldn't lock things up front sprockets were 44 or 46 teeth so they wouldn't feed into the back suspension as much.
 
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