I just went with a pair of the Nobl TR32's with Onyx hubs, CX-Ray spokes and Schwalbe Racing Ray/Racing Ralph tires. I absolutely love them and I would accept a bit of a weight penalty any day in exchange for lower rolling resistance and silence
could you dab a little Permatex RTV silicone on the cross contact points to keep the dust and grit out?... the dust gets trapped between the bladed spokes and I’m stuck listening to spokes grinding within an hour of starting a ride. I plan on rebuilding with round spokes soon.
Possibly, I don’t know. I hadn’t heard about this product before now, so I will definitely look into it, thank you! That will definitely be the cheaper option if it works.could you dab a little Permatex RTV silicone on the cross contact points to keep the dust and grit out?
Disagree on d-light. The ability to control twist is half the magic of the CX-Rays (or any bladed spoke). As for contact, you must be talking 2x. My 32 spoke 3x all have contact on the 3rd cross.BTLOS has wheelsets from about $750 direct. Like these 18mm shallow asyms 34mm inner.
D-Lites are a better mtb choice than Rays. The Rays don't have contact when they cross..
29er 34mm internal mountain bike downhill shallow carbon wheels - Btlos Bicycleshallow wheels 27mm internal width combined with shallow, 18 depth and asymmetric design to create a stable, lightweight rim with forgiving ride qualities.btlos.com
Want more? Berd spoke Atomiks. BERD Wheel Sets - atomikcarbon.com More compliant ride.
On your NOBL questions - Yes, they sell just rims, on their website, when you select their pull down menu, there is a “Rims Only” option to choose. They are also $450 just like WAO. Also, yes, they have their own models that NOBL designed, they are not rebranded Light Bicycle models.Perfect timing for me with this thread.
NOBL - seem not too bad on price, but if you've already got hubs ... they don't seem to sell just rims, or am I missing something? And built by light bicycle ... are they using a light bicycle model, or do they have their own rims?
WAO - $450/rim? So with code still >$350?
Light Bicycle look more in the mid to high $200's.
I've got a set of DT350 boost hubs, and am looking to build a poor mans version of the Roval Control SL's on the s-works epic evo ... a $2500 wheelset (with essentially DT 350 straight pull hubs). I'm doing 32 spokes and j-bend, but maybe can find a comparable rim with around 29mm internal. I'll follow this thread closely to see where it goes.
|WAO (Union 495g?)||$450 (discount codes exist)||lifetime warranty?|
|Santa Cruz (341g)||$599||lifetime warranty|
|Light Bicycle (400g for $280 rims)||$280||3 year, 5 year or lifetime warranty?|
|NOBL (360/390g, but only 26 internal)||$450||Lifetime|
If you can't control twist, you need to step back and really think about your wheel-building. It's not anywhere near as hard as people are making it out to be. For MTB wheels, there's no advantage to the bladed laser spokes (CX-rays). There are some possible disadvantages.Disagree on d-light. The ability to control twist is half the magic of the CX-Rays (or any bladed spoke). As for contact, you must be talking 2x. My 32 spoke 3x all have contact on the 3rd cross.
That's $450 per rim. The prices in the chart Tainight1985 posted are all per rim.👍WAO for $450.. Are these prices per rim or for a set?
Just FYI I think the reserve rim weights are off on your list. They're 470/490g for 27.5/29 like the rest of them.
WAO (Union 495g?) $450 (discount codes exist) lifetime warranty? Revel $699 lifetime warranty? Santa Cruz (341g) $599 lifetime warranty Enve $999 warranty? Nox (470g) $479 lifetime? Light Bicycle (400g for $280 rims) $280 3 year, 5 year or lifetime warranty? NOBL (360/390g, but only 26 internal) $450 Lifetime
I hear you on the $450 with lifetime warranty is nice.
The Santa Cruz (if the lifetime warranty applies when you build them yourself) rims would be my ideal from the list. Resale value would be high (second only to Enve I'd guess). The Nobl are interesting, but in all honesty if I'm spending $450 on a rim, I'd spend the extra $150 for Reserve.
Revel being more than Reserve rules them out for me, and ENVE is just way way beyond my budget.
I'm probably going to build a rear with a notubes arch mk4 first, and then that would give me a semi-matched pair with the front I've already got. Then build either Light Bicycle, NOBL or Reserve complete set.
Thanks to the OP for starting this thread, it's good to have a current one and see the current mood.