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A ghost town with some extremely opinionated and one-sided people. There are some good people though. I've never seen any other decent forums though, most seem to have even more of the previously mentioned type of people (which is why I joined this one). There are plenty of threads on builds though. Just get ready for alot of Blk Mrkt references (not to mention some shameless personal classified links to some). Don't get me wrong I'd ride the hell out of one and they're pretty dialed, but it seems to be the cool bike to ride within this forum right now. Most of the major companies are all offering urban/dj bikes so there are many to choose from, not to mention the smaller, more dedicated brands. Now is a good time to get on one.
 

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There are a lot of Blk Mrkt references because the frames are kick-ass. Blk Mrkt has one of THE best 26" mtb frames in existance. Period. I have yet to see a better proven, durable, quality frame over and above the Mob. S&M is the standard. The Riot is also a good frame, just not the same tubing and feel that the Mob has. The .357 is basically a Riot frame with BlkMrkt parts and sold as a complete.

That said, the new Transition ToP is very nice for 08' with the new changes. Now with the coming of Superco frames, they too will be right at the top of the list. Transition is proven to be very reliable and hopefully Superco will be as well.
 

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There are a lot of Blk Mrkt references because the frames are kick-ass. Blk Mrkt has one of THE best 26" mtb frames in existance. Period. I have yet to see a better proven, durable, quality frame over and above the Mob. S&M is the standard. The Riot is also a good frame, just not he same tubing and feel that the Mob has. The .357 is basically a Riot frame with BlkMrkt parts and sold as a complete.

That said, the new Transition ToP is very nice fpr 08' with the new changes. Now with the coming of Superco frames, they too will be right at the top of the list. Transition is proven to be very reliable and hopefully Superco will be as well.
I just finished my 08' ToP and I love it! Very solid bike!
 

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blk mrkt are sweet, i think that NS give them a run for their money. They have more options so you can find one closer to the style of riding you do. if only they were easier to find here in the US.
 

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Demo-9 said:
There are a lot of Blk Mrkt references because the frames are kick-ass. Blk Mrkt has one of THE best 26" mtb frames in existance. Period. I have yet to see a better proven, durable, quality frame over and above the Mob. S&M is the standard. .
dont get me wrong, i like S&M and BLK MRKT but i would choose a Fall Guy or USB Molly or Nem Pro. or Doberman any day over a BLK MRKT. there is no BEST bike in existance. sure there are some that are better than others for one reasion or another but its not possible to have the best bike period, personal opinion and personal taste varies too much. and on that note, the Transition TOP is teh ****.
 

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blk mrkt are sweet, i think that NS give them a run for their money. They have more options so you can find one closer to the style of riding you do. if only they were easier to find here in the US.
Any shop that has an account with BTI can get the NS frames.
 

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dont get me wrong, i like S&M and BLK MRKT but i would choose a Fall Guy or USB Molly or Nem Pro. or Doberman any day over a BLK MRKT. there is no BEST bike in existance. sure there are some that are better than others for one reasion or another but its not possible to have the best bike period, personal opinion and personal taste varies too much. and on that note, the Transition TOP is teh ****.
Yep I can respect that. All the bikes listed are individually awesome. Just for the record I said the Mob is one of the best - not the best. It is the best IMO though....

Another question - is the OP looking for a 24" or 26"? I assumed so, but maybe not. Maybe a 20"? If looking for a 24" I would agree on the Molly or Fall Guy.
 

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No shameless plug :)

And not to deter from MTBR, but Ridemonkey has a good crew of guys, wide variety of bikes, abilities, interests, whatever. Check them out.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=61

"the next level" forum is always a weiner! And basically every other discussion has been had.

And just to back up Black Markets, S&M has been in the game for 20" bikes for years, and held with all the new companies just fine. Their knowledge translates over into their 26" bike and they came out with an amazing bike. Most of the other companies are MTB companies trying to go the other way, making a bike that behaves like a 20", but more likely then not they miss the mark. The Black Market behaves well on DJs, skateparks, and Urban riding, just like their little brothers, thats why they are awesome.
 

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Keep in mind that not a single person has said anything negative about Blk Mrkt or their frames. The fact that this forum is littered with them and positive opinions about them say alot about their products and company. If you can afford to build a custom, by all means build a Blk Mrkt (I know I would've). I didn't have that kind of cash ($1000 for a 357 complete with the dj3 no less) to spend so I went with a P1 for a sweet price at my LBS. Everyone seems to dislike them alot, but it serves me just fine. The fork and wheelset suck, but it is nothing that can't be upgraded as the stock components break (if they do). You can't really expect more from a sub $700 stock dj bike. I ride the sh*t out of my bike and the low bb and "wierd" geometry allow me to progress faster than any other bike I've had...well except for a 20" of course. If you have deep pockets when it is time to build a dj bike up, look at Blk Mrkt, Transition, Superco, NS, etc.... But if you want a complete for a little less cash than the cost of a niche brand, all of the major players in the mtb industry are making dj bikes now and are continuing to improve on them. Ride as many as brands big and small that you can at different shops, ride some of the bikes that local guys are on, and then make up your mind. If you don't have that kind of access, go to all the companies websites you can possibly find and see which one you you like the best and support them by buying their products. Don't forget to buy a shirt and hat too!
 

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Any shop that has an account with BTI can get the NS frames.
true but they only carry a few of each thing.
they only carry black in the handlebars.
they don't carry the suburban 24" and although they advertise the capital frame (the one im trying to get) i have yet to see it in stock. they only carry one of the two forks they make.
so what im trying to say is yes you can get them but only certain things
 

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What ever happened to nem-pro? Previously the must have bike for the DJ'er with money, now an old memory. I cannot see for the life of me what seperates blk mrkt from practically every other decent small manufacturer (sp?) out there.
 

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Well to me the difference in Blk Mrkt is that the Mob is really a 26" BMX bike. They successfully took all of their knowledge, quality and craftsmanship and transferred it to a 26" frame. As mentioned there are a lot of MTB companies that started making DJ/park frames, but the quality did not change.

To me a DJ/park frame has to be a specific thought, not starting with a XC frame and modifying it to match a geometry that people will like. A lot of companies do that. They take tubing that is laying around and design a frame from that using any parts that they also use on other frames.

Blk Mrkt starts with proprietary tubing specific to only them and designed the frame from the ground up. Now there are also a few good companies that do the same previously mentioned. What I also like is that the frames are made in the US. To me that makes a difference in quality welding of steel.

And to add to that the customer service there is top notch.
 

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frisky_zissou said:
What ever happened to nem-pro? Previously the must have bike for the DJ'er with money, now an old memory. I cannot see for the life of me what seperates blk mrkt from practically every other decent small manufacturer (sp?) out there.
NemPro is still alive and well. The new deathmobile has placed in a few slopestyle contests in europe too!
 
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