American Standard conditions?
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Illegal? I know, I know. But it brings up an interesting scenario if Bush gets another 4 years:Stick said:
Bush = favored by NRA voters.
American Standard = "illegal" mainly due to hunters.
Enter the new Extreme B on his Trek...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/27/bush.bike.ap/index.html
Hmmmm.
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yeah yeah yeah i know its ELEGAL but im still going to ride it. if i get busted oh well i'll pay the fine. I highly doubt that they will bust me. Also the week im going to be back east there is no hunting going on so i wont be p!ss!ng off any hunters.SueB said:
American Standard ILLEGAL? Are you serious?
I thought you guys were joking. It was "illegal" last year, too. I just don't go in the woods during "spring gobbler" season, which runs through May, and I never have any problems after that. You're not supposed to jaywalk either or rip the warning tags off mattresses...
Seriously, is there some type of ranger gestapo roaming the woods? I mean, I don't litter and I respect the trails. Why should I follow some goofy regulations designed to appease the politically-connected hunters? It's not like I'm some piece of trash going back there on my quad to shoot my .22, down a six pack, and leave the cans all over the place. I just want to ride - they can catch me if they can. This land is your land, this land is my land. You know?
I thought you guys were joking. It was "illegal" last year, too. I just don't go in the woods during "spring gobbler" season, which runs through May, and I never have any problems after that. You're not supposed to jaywalk either or rip the warning tags off mattresses...
Seriously, is there some type of ranger gestapo roaming the woods? I mean, I don't litter and I respect the trails. Why should I follow some goofy regulations designed to appease the politically-connected hunters? It's not like I'm some piece of trash going back there on my quad to shoot my .22, down a six pack, and leave the cans all over the place. I just want to ride - they can catch me if they can. This land is your land, this land is my land. You know?
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Yes, riding on any PA State Gamelands is illegal. You can go across the road and ride the broad mountain loop. The double track is open to bikes, but all the singletrack is closed.m2k said:
Rules are rules. You say you respect the trails, and I trust you do. However, when you disobey the rules, how do you expect the politically connected hunters to trust you? It's just more ammo for them to keep us off the trails. One step forward, 5 steps back. If we're ever to win back the right to ride there legally and openly again, shouldn't we show them we're not just a bunch of punk kids who destroy everything we touch? It's always the few who ruin it for the majority.
Well, sorry you feel that way, but while you're pedalling down a fire road this weekend, passing kids on training wheels and dreaming of the day when the good ol' boys in Harrisburg do a complete 180 and share their land with us non gun-toting types, I'll be enjoying one of the best trails in Eastern PA. The few ruin it for the majority? Well said, which is EXACTLY why I'm not going be a part of the majority and let them ruin it for ME.
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OK, here's your report:bacolmm said:
It starts off great. Fast twisty singletrack, loamy in spots. Then it gets rocky, followed by long stretches of double-track/access road completely mucked-up and under a few feet of water. Then it's more rocks, some fun descending, more rocks, more mud, big rocks, some technical climbing, mud, rocks, rocks, singletrack, mud, rocks jeep road, rocks rocks rocks rocks, a boring stretch of 93...done. (unless you cross over the road and ride more stuff that you shouldn't.
(No, I haven't ridden it lately, but it's not all that difficult to predict if you know what the trail is like)
This thread sucks. If you guys are going to ride there, just go do it...DISCRETELY! Advertising the fact that you're planning to ride a closed trail on a public message board is STUPID.
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park in the parking lot up 93 from thorpe, Get ready, head back twoards thorp on 93 right theres a little lot on your left go into it and jump on the single track. First part of single track is super super fun nice and mellow no steep climbs. Dumps you out on the first section of fire road with lots of ruts and mud pits. follow it to the end ~250 yards, at the big tree go left on another fire road just ahead go right onto some more nice singletrack. Follow this single track down to a nice little river cros over the river to a nice rock garden.bacolmm said:
this part is pretty fun and flowy. After this i forget the rest of the trail other than its totally fun. Some great downhills and a nice long climb.
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just understand that is they want to, they can take your bike, fine you, and leave you out there to walk back- and in the meantime you screw the rest of us who are trying to make a case that mtb should be legal out there....thanks for the help
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Twin Peaks is a good ride. Not as much fun as American Std, IMO, but a good ride nonetheless. Not as technically difficult. There's also a trail called Psycho Betty on Flagstaff Mountain that's short but sweet...one of the best descents in J.T. Worth checking out if you're into that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure the stuff on Flagstaff is still open.m2k said:
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Twin peaks is decent depending on how you ride it. I've yet to ride the A.S. so I can't really compare it. Just rode twin peaks this past weekend.m2k said:
Some pics of it here: http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=26550
The first part of Twin Peaks is the Mauch Chunk ridge. 1/2 way through, you can come down the side of the mountain, or if you ride to the end of the fireline you can come down the power line. Both are a pretty good downhill. Then you continue to the switchback trail. Nothing special here. 3mi railroad grade to a pretty great overlook. From there you can ride down a pretty hellish road filled with rocks into J.T.
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Twin Peaks is OK, yes there is a good down hill section that puts you in the rail trail. Psycho Betty can be linked into Twin Peaks. Psycho Betty is the better part of the ride and worth checking out.
I keep thinking there has to be better trails around there. Anyone?
I've ridden American Standard twice and really don't see what all the hype is about. Yes, its demanding, but it also doesn't have any flowing sections. How about the last section heading back. Its a nasty rock garden that doesn't let up! I enjoy techncial riding, but this is doesn't offer any high speed corners or rhythm sections at all.tlg said:
Twin Peaks is OK, yes there is a good down hill section that puts you in the rail trail. Psycho Betty can be linked into Twin Peaks. Psycho Betty is the better part of the ride and worth checking out.
I keep thinking there has to be better trails around there. Anyone?
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Sure it does...the first couple miles are nice twisty singletrack. A bit tight between the trees at times, but fast and fun nevertheless. And the descent leading to the urinal and beyond is great. It's not smooth by any means, but you can definitely get crankin' in the big ring, hit the twists and turns and catch some air off of the downed logs and roots before diving into the next corner.Phantomtracer said:
It may be a lot of work for such a short payoff, but it's just one of those trails... You either love it, or you don't. I think that 2 or 3 mile section between the jeep road and 93 (the non-stop rock garden) is one of my favorite parts of the whole trail. Challenging? Absolutely. But it beats the hell out of riding the jeep road out!
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