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Advice for a new bike - at 300 lbs, am I overthinking how much my weight will impact my selection?

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Looking for advice on a new bike. This is my first post but I have been watching this forum for a long time and appreciate how this community offers to help each other. Due to the bike shortage, I have not been able to test ride many bikes and just doing a lot of research online while waiting for bikes to get back in stock.

I have a few questions but first let me lay out what I think I need for a new MTB and then would appreciate your guidance / feedback. I am approx. 300 pounds and 6 feet tall, currently live in Texas but have been spending a large part of the past couple summers in Utah. I ride my old Specialized Rockhopper from 2010 (hardtail) but I don't trust it on anything more than a friendly / easy trail at this point so I am looking to upgrade. I have never taken a lift to do downhill (but think it would be fun) and mainly do trail riding. I have biked for most of my life but I am held back by my concerns about my current bike on any challenging terrain (so I don't push it at all).

I have watched a ton of the "Hardtail Party" videos on YouTube and they are great but the host / rider is a smaller guy so it's hard to understand how much my weight will change the feel / ride. This is why I am seeking all of your help.

For the right bike, I am happy to spend up to $3K+ for the right hardtail. Our plan is to move to Utah full time in the next year or so and can always go FS in the future (but I hope to drop some weight first and learn more about my interest to do downhill, etc.). Of course, if you think it is best to just buy a FS now, I am open to suggestions. Budget isn't a major issue as I have been saving for a while and for a FS, I could go well above $3K. I care more about finding the right bike than a specific budget.
  1. Should I buy a stock bike or work with my local bike shop to custom build a bike. There are plenty of good frames but I worry that if I need to upgrade the front shock, brakes, wheels, etc. because of my size, is a custom build a better route than a "stock bike". When I say custom build, I mean buying a frame and then selecting components individually. It seems silly to me to buy a "high end" hardtail to have to swap out a number of the brand new components.
  2. Because I will be doing more trail riding, I don't think I need a super slack bike but most bikes seem to be more aggressive geometry which is not what I need (right)? What quality hardtails are better for trail riding, etc.? I have been researching the Orbea Laufrey, Salsa Timberjack, Santa Cruz Chameleon, Surley Karate Monkey or Krampus, Pole Taival, etc. Some of these are Steel and other Aluminum. The only one that I have actually ridden so far was the Chameleon in a 27.5 (thanks bike shortage).
  3. As for a front shock, due to my size, should I be focused on a coil shock vs air? Seems like less maintenance for a coil. Also, it is easy to get drawn into the idea that I need a ton of travel in the shock but I worry about my size vs the design of the shock.
  4. Wheel Size - 27.5+ vs 29? I have a 29 now but not sure what is best for the future. Not sure if this is really a big deal or not.
  5. Any recommendations on a bike shop that would be highly qualified to help a Clyd? Not as worried about geography but want to work with someone to help me identify what really matters when making a decision.
Wrapping up, I am wondering how much my 300 pound weight is messing with my head and causing me to overthink things. Eager to hear your thoughts to help guide me through this process. Thank you in advance!!!
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You're a big guy and you're not over thinking this.

Make choices based on durability and robustness. 300 lbs. places additional stress on components and that needs your detailed attention. Pay particular attention to wheels & hubs. There are other important considerations, but this seems to be an area that demands attention and good decisions.
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For the right bike, I am happy to spend up to $3K+ for the right hardtail. Our plan is to move to Utah full time in the next year or so and can always go FS in the future (but I hope to drop some weight first and learn more about my interest to do downhill, etc.). Of course, if you think it is best to just buy a FS now, I am open to suggestions. Budget isn't a major issue as I have been saving for a while and for a FS, I could go well above $3K. I care more about finding the right bike than a specific budget.
This is a pretty good path, but you're likely to find that whatever you wind up choosing, you'll have to change something because there will be SOMETHING that doesn't work how you envisioned.

Should I buy a stock bike or work with my local bike shop to custom build a bike. There are plenty of good frames but I worry that if I need to upgrade the front shock, brakes, wheels, etc. because of my size, is a custom build a better route than a "stock bike". When I say custom build, I mean buying a frame and then selecting components individually. It seems silly to me to buy a "high end" hardtail to have to swap out a number of the brand new components.
This one is really kinda difficult to say if one way is better than another. Current availability challenges make it even more difficult to say which is better. There's value to both paths. If you're in a "you don't know what you don't know" situation, starting with a complete bike and making a few changes over time can give you opportunities to learn so you can make better informed decisions. Certainly if you know exactly what you want, putting together your own bike from a parts list can get you exactly what you want with no fluff. But to put that pathway into perspective, a friend of mine started a new FS build a long time ago. I don't remember when, but he's had to do more waiting than anything. His frame had to be built, so there was a wait for that. The last part he's waiting on has been the brakeset. He wanted Hope brakes for this build. He ordered them in Feb and just got the shipping notice the other day. Thankfully he's been able to ride his hardtail this whole time. But if you don't have another bike to ride in the meantime? That can affect things quite a bit.​
I would say that most items will work just fine if you select a complete bike and modify it later as you learn about your needs. Some of them are going to involve a riding style component. You say you're about to move. Are you familiar with the trails in your future home? Have you ridden them already and know how your riding style will change compared to what it is now? Do you have a history of blowing up hub internals, dinging rims, etc?​
Because I will be doing more trail riding, I don't think I need a super slack bike but most bikes seem to be more aggressive geometry which is not what I need (right)? What quality hardtails are better for trail riding, etc.? I have been researching the Orbea Laufrey, Salsa Timberjack, Santa Cruz Chameleon, Surley Karate Monkey or Krampus, Pole Taival, etc. Some of these are Steel and other Aluminum. The only one that I have actually ridden so far was the Chameleon in a 27.5 (thanks bike shortage).
The bikes in your list exist on quite a spectrum. The Surlys being on the conservative side of the spectrum. The Timberjack and Chameleon being pretty well-rounded trailbikes. The Pole being pretty progressive. I'm not familiar with the Orbea, so I dunno where it slots in. I ride a Guerrilla Gravity Pedalhead. It's not as progressive as the Pole, but moreso than the Timberjack and Chameleon, especially with the 140mm fork I put on it. I do mellow xc stuff on it, as well as burly technical trails. It's not an extremely progressive geometry, but I don't have any issues with it on plain old trail riding. I enjoy the geometry, really.
As for a front shock, due to my size, should I be focused on a coil shock vs air? Seems like less maintenance for a coil. Also, it is easy to get drawn into the idea that I need a ton of travel in the shock but I worry about my size vs the design of the shock.
You can go either way, for different reasons, really. Air is more adjustable and to a finer degree. You'd probably need to replace the spring in a coil fork to get the firmest one offered. And you won't have as much fine control over the spring rate. Preload allows some adjustment once you get a spring installed, but adjusting a coil fork is less easy. Once you get it adjusted, reliability is very good, though. Honestly, though, I think picking a strong, stiff fork chassis is going to be more important for you, though. The travel you choose should be determined based on the frame you have (and the geometry that will result) and the terrain you're riding. Most forks out there are obtainable in multiple travel lengths (or are adjustable) to help dial in bike geo and handling characteristics.
Wheel Size - 27.5+ vs 29? I have a 29 now but not sure what is best for the future. Not sure if this is really a big deal or not.
This one comes down to preference more than anything. Your riding style will play a role in what you wind up preferring for a given bike and terrain, though. Plus size tires seem to be preferred by folks who take a mellower approach to riding. They "crawl" over technical terrain quite well. Bikepackers often love plus tires (especially 29+). But there's less sidewall support, so hard-charging riders often find that reduced support problematic in corners with high bike lean angles and speed. The last thing you want when you're pushing a bike over hard in a fast corner is for the sidewall to fold on you.
Any recommendations on a bike shop that would be highly qualified to help a Clyd? Not as worried about geography but want to work with someone to help me identify what really matters when making a decision.
This one is a tough ask. If you're asking for help choosing a bike off-the-shelf, you're not going to wind up with much variation in clyde-worthiness. If you're looking to assemble one from the frame up, then you have more to choose from. Generally speaking, sizing up the brakes is easy to do. Instead of 2 piston calipers on 160 or 180mm rotors which is pretty standard OEM setup, you might consider 4 piston calipers and at least a 200mm rotor up front, if not more. Terrain plays a role here, too. If steeper, go bigger on the brakes. For wheels, rims are usually the biggest weak point. But hub internals can matter for some. Rims are pretty easy from most manufacturers to step up a level or two in the burliness category. Hubs are a bit more of a challenge. There's plenty of talk in the wheels forum about hub internals, and some ppl seem to manage to destroy any hub. Others never have a problem with anything. And it doesn't seem to me that the rider's weight is the major factor there.​
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fwiw, I'm bigger than you (albeit not taller lol) and I struggled with finding a bike. Though my criteria was a bit less - I wanted less moving parts. I ended up with a Growler American Stout fat bike and could not be happier!! I will mention that I was in contact with 44 bikes. He was willing to make a special bike to fit my size. I ended up backing out when I realized it was going to be out of my budget, but it might be worth a shot to reach out...
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I am approx. 300 pounds and 6 feet tall. [...] I ride my old Specialized Rockhopper from 2010 (hardtail) but I don't trust it on anything more than a friendly / easy trail at this point so I am looking to upgrade. I have never taken a lift to do downhill (but think it would be fun) and mainly do trail riding.
I'm 6'0" and vary between 240-260. I used to weigh 420 but wasn't riding in those days. So I'm experienced at worrying about these things as well.

Downhill is great fun, but the concern is that at 300, you can bang yourself up at least as effectively as you can bang up bike hardware. That's especially true if you're over 35 -- I'm 60 and even though I have great health insurance, a low deductible on fixing a broken leg is not nearly as desirable as not breaking a leg in the first place. I go nice and slow and am in no rush to improve my performance at the local bike park.

For the right bike, I am happy to spend up to $3K+ for the right hardtail. Our plan is to move to Utah full time in the next year or so and can always go FS in the future (but I hope to drop some weight first and learn more about my interest to do downhill, etc.). Of course, if you think it is best to just buy a FS now, I am open to suggestions. Budget isn't a major issue as I have been saving for a while and for a FS, I could go well above $3K. I care more about finding the right bike than a specific budget.
I thought about this, figuring that FS has more that can go wrong, but I wanted the option to get to places I couldn't go with a hardtail. My fat bike soaks up bumps pretty well so I use it for basic trails and social riding. So it seemed to me that a hardtail would duplicate a lot of the stuff I could cover on the fat bike. The rear shock has an easily accessed lockout so climbing isn't horrible.

1. Should I buy a stock bike or work with my local bike shop to custom build a bike.
I recommend against doing your own custom build, because you're going to pay retail for all the components and it will be a lot more expensive than buying a full bike and replacing stuff incrementally. Of course, in the current supply chain situation, you'll tear your hair out trying to chase down everything you need to build up a complete bike. We're going touring in September on our new Surly Disc Truckers, and putting together all the accessories for those bikes has been a lot of work over the last 3-4 months. The big distributors won't even take orders from the LBS's for backorder to get stuff whenever it comes back in stock, so my LBS can't even order most of the stuff we needed. I had to buy from shops all over the US and Europe who happened to have what I needed in stock.

When I got my mountain bike, my strategy was to buy used because I could afford something that was a lot more durable than I could get new for the same price. My budget was $3,000 to $4,000. I lucked into getting a used personal bike from the owner of my LBS, who had a gorgeous S-Works Enduro that he built up from the frame and rode for only 1.5 years. Since he gets components at wholesale, the build is above the spec of the top of the line Specialized mountain bike. I got it for a fraction of what it would cost to do a retail custom build with that spec, and since it came from a trusted source, I didn't have to worry about it being stolen. I haven't broken anything on it in perhaps 2,000 miles of trails at my weight. Perhaps buying a higher end model used might work for you. I haven't checked, but availability of used might be somewhat better than availability of new bikes at this point, though I'm sure a lot of people are buying used because they can't get new right now.

Getting that particular bike used was also good for someone of my size, since the frame is built like a tank. I'm getting the top-of-the-line carbon for an enduro rig, which is much heavier duty than entry level carbon you might find on an XC rig. So I'm not worried at all about failure risk there.

As for a front shock, due to my size, should I be focused on a coil shock vs air? Seems like less maintenance for a coil. Also, it is easy to get drawn into the idea that I need a ton of travel in the shock but I worry about my size vs the design of the shock.
Before I got my current MTB, I had a $1,000 Trek (circa 2000) with a coil shock. Even at the limit of its adjustment, I bottomed out all the time on gravel roads. I suspect air is the way to go. I have never bottomed out the S-Works even on some fairly decent hits. Fork, hubs and wheels are the most important places to buttress up. While some Clydes in this site have reported that they've cracked frames, taco'd wheels, abused hubs and blown fork seals are probably far more common.

Wrapping up, I am wondering how much my 300 pound weight is messing with my head and causing me to overthink things.
I don't think you're overthinking at all. Impact on parts goes up by n-squared as body weight goes up linearly. In other words, you're stressing parts 4x the stress a 150 lb rider would put on things. You can either over-think things or enjoy a few long walks back to the car towing a broken bike. In my world, zero walks back to the car is the only acceptable number. So think away!
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Before you even start thinking about the components, make sure that the frame manufacturer rates the frame for your weight. You should find that info deep in the specs. I know that Trek's Supercaliber line of FS xc bikes has a total weight limit of 300lbs, and my own Canyon Lux has a rider limit of 250lbs.
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Stick with a hardtail at your weight. I'm 260 geared and struggling with FS bikes since the suspension leverage ratio in most bikes today are very detrimental for the high weight riders.
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Ive been down your road before. I currently ride a Trek Stach 8 and a Superfly. I also made a video on this exact subject. (link below) Welcome to the cyldesdale club!

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I just want to thank everyone for the detailed replies and guidance. This is great info and I will just be patient while supply of bikes picks up over the next year (fingers crossed). As I learn of my options, I will circle back for more specific feedback! This was a great first experience with you all on the Clyd board!!
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I would look for a used AM bike with air suspension on both sides. A used bike will be cheaper since you will need some upgrades. Burly bikes will have stronger components that you will need. Special attention to wheels and hubs, which are not only the most likely to get damaged, but also very expensive. Hardtails are much more limited, and also much harder on wheels. But it also depends on your riding style, may be enough.
Like others said, check weight limits on components like wheels, frames and forks.

Another unexpected expense that you may need if you want top performance (at any price level) is revalving the suspension. Air suspension scales almost perfectly with rider weight, but dampers do not.
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I haven't considered a used bike. Any advice on good platforms / websites to buy a used bike? There must be something better than Craigslist I imagine. LOL
Beyond frame failure, the most common bike part failure for a Clydesdale is the rear hub. Consider including an upgraded rear hub with your new bike. There are several threads in the Clydesdale forum which discuss what's worked for different riders. Give them a quick review to get an understanding of cost and build (spoke type, lacing patterns, preferred rims, etc.).
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Not sure if you've made your decision yet, but IMO, Hardtail is key for you right now. It'll be way more efficient than a FS bike. I fluctuate from 230 to 250's and when I'm in the 250's...or more....the hardtail is key to my happiness on the bike. At 300#, I'd definitely pay attention to wheels and cranks along with a very solid frame. 303 Bike Labs would do a custom wheelset for you (based on what materials he can get), but he's a clyde too that races and kicks ass at building strong wheels. Canfield makes extremely stiff/strong cranks that will limit the flex you get when really putting the hammer down. I bring these 2 components up as they were both extremely important upgrades for me on my bikes and make a huge difference...plus can easily be ported over to whatever your next bike is as well. Worth the $$ for sure! Good luck
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I haven't considered a used bike. Any advice on good platforms / websites to buy a used bike? There must be something better than Craigslist I imagine. LOL
Craigslist and pinkbike.
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Not sure if you've made your decision yet, but IMO, Hardtail is key for you right now. It'll be way more efficient than a FS bike. I fluctuate from 230 to 250's and when I'm in the 250's...or more....the hardtail is key to my happiness on the bike. At 300#, I'd definitely pay attention to wheels and cranks along with a very solid frame. 303 Bike Labs would do a custom wheelset for you (based on what materials he can get), but he's a clyde too that races and kicks ass at building strong wheels. Canfield makes extremely stiff/strong cranks that will limit the flex you get when really putting the hammer down. I bring these 2 components up as they were both extremely important upgrades for me on my bikes and make a huge difference...plus can easily be ported over to whatever your next bike is as well. Worth the $$ for sure! Good luck
Thanks for the great suggestions! My LBS suggested that I wait as Santa Cruz is about to come out with a new Chameleon frame, etc. Was told late August / early September. Actually got to test ride the Salsa Timberjack last weekend and it was a good one.
I haven't considered a used bike. Any advice on good platforms / websites to buy a used bike? There must be something better than Craigslist I imagine. LOL
Foes. They are very low-leverage bikes. Low leverage bikes are great for heavier riders. Metric shocks make this even better, giving more space for the spring length. 2:1 is probably a good leverage ratio for you. 2.5:1, not as much, closer to 2:1 the better. Coil shock is probably better, but at 2:1 an air shock like a RS Super Deluxe (that can go to 325psi) is not out of the question. As an example, on my Guerilla Gravity, at 165lbs, I am running around 140psi, so someone twice as heavy could still use twice as much pressure and be ok. A coil shock is generally a good idea, some of the smaller air-shocks will max out in PSI before they will support your weight, especially on lower leverage bikes. So Foes is a good one, there are others that would work. You want low leverage, but the shock should be a long shock, 230mm or longer, so that if you have to use a coil, you have plenty of space for a real heavy spring, like 600lb or more. Foes isn't the only one out there, but they are usually the lowest leverage ratio. Do some research on leverage ratio. Decide how much travel you want. Start looking up the shock specs, how long they are for how much stroke.

But yeah, with all that said, I would recommend a hardtail first. Better idea.

The other thing is that IME, bikes are not a great way to lose weight. They are decent for sustaining and excellent at making some exercise fun, but they aren't great at losing weight. I even got pretty fat while riding a bike. The real issue is regular exercise, like every day. Go walk for an hour every day or just do something physical for at least an hour. It's a hell of a lot easier to walk an hour than run for 20 minutes, but doing something physical every day for at least an hour will up your metabolism and make you start dropping lbs. Don't drink anything but water (humans were designed to eat a lot of stuff, but only drink water as adults). Not saying don't ever drink something else, but keep yourself well hydrated with water at all times, it makes cravings go away. All of these are keys to dropping the weight, no mysteries or fads, but one thing I really want to stress is bikes aren't really great at dropping weight, you gotta ride them for a pretty long amount of time every day to make a dent, time that most people don't have. It's possible, but it's often not practical. Using weight loss as a goal so you "can ride a bike" is a great way to think about it. It's a lot of fun riding a bike.
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I would be seriously considering a steel framed hardtail if I were in your situation. Aluminum is known to develop fatigue cracks. Steel is much more fatigue resistant. I maxed out at 203 and I'm currently 163 so I don't know what all considerations should be considered for a clyde. But I'm wondering if a 27.5 Plus bike would be a better choice. More tire volume would help with the impulse loading of the frame and all things being equal a 27.5 wheel/rim is stiffer than an equivalent 29er wheel/rim. That's just a hypothesis so maybe some real clydes can help prove or disprove this.
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The other thing is that IME, bikes are not a great way to lose weight. They are decent for sustaining and excellent at making some exercise fun, but they aren't great at losing weight. I even got pretty fat while riding a bike. The real issue is regular exercise, like every day.
The saying is you can't out run a bad diet. I might burn 500-600 calories in 70-80 minutes of riding. When a small fried chicken finger meal is 1000 calories before you add sugared drinks it is really easy to consumer 4k+ calories in a day on a standard American diet. Use My Fitness Pal to track everything you eat for a couple of weeks and you will be shocked how many calories you eat. I lost 40 lbs doing mostly time restricted dieting (aka intermitent fasting) where I don't eat from 8pm to 12 noon. Try to stick to low calorie lunches and snacks during the day. And try not to restrict my dinner too much except for portion size. Calories burned from exercising is what I use for all my "cheat" foods. Burned 450+ calories in a 90 minute ride after work today. Had a scoop of ice cream after dinner.
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I would be seriously considering a steel framed hardtail if I were in your situation. Aluminum is known to develop fatigue cracks. Steel is much more fatigue resistant. I maxed out at 203 and I'm currently 163 so I don't know what all considerations should be considered for a clyde. But I'm wondering if a 27.5 Plus bike would be a better choice. More tire volume would help with the impulse loading of the frame and all things being equal a 27.5 wheel/rim is stiffer than an equivalent 29er wheel/rim. That's just a hypothesis so maybe some real clydes can help prove or disprove this.
I went with 29+ for that exact reason. Couldn't get the krampus with front fork. But the rigid frame is setup with 29+. The volume is very nice and soaks up the bumps. At 280lb in my birthday suit, I just couldn't find a FS bike that felt right.
At some point I'll swap out the rigid fork for suspension. But first I really need to upgrade the brakes.
I would be seriously considering a steel framed hardtail if I were in your situation. Aluminum is known to develop fatigue cracks. Steel is much more fatigue resistant. I maxed out at 203 and I'm currently 163 so I don't know what all considerations should be considered for a clyde. But I'm wondering if a 27.5 Plus bike would be a better choice. More tire volume would help with the impulse loading of the frame and all things being equal a 27.5 wheel/rim is stiffer than an equivalent 29er wheel/rim. That's just a hypothesis so maybe some real clydes can help prove or disprove this.
So, for both of these the important part is the designed Limit Load. Ultimate limit is where you will damage both. For aluminum, the number of times you can cycle to the limit load is limited by the material, but it's usually so high that no one approaches it in years and years of riding. For steel and Ti, it can be virtually "unlimited", but there are issues specific to each material, steel corrosion and Ti brittleness/welds. Aluminum is not a better or worse material here. For all three, they will develop cracks if not designed properly or there is a production flaw. What would be better would be a thicker tubing gauge and stronger frame. There are some that are intended as "all mountain" type hardtails and that would be my choice, regardless of the material. Custom manufacturers are even better at being able to make something like this for a heavier rider, but it costs more of course.
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