[ualar]

Heya folks, my toes getting cold and numb after riding like around 30 min in winter months, not below -0 but still around 5c to 10c weather here in winter months.

i am looking for winter spd shoe with windstopper and kind of hot fabric.

Torn between;

Sidi Frost MTB Shoe (goretex)

and

Mavic Crossmax Elite CM

Also hearing from some of my friends that i should not buy cycling shoe with ankle protection like trekking boots that affect my performance and not comfortable as regular summer shoes.

What is your opinion about winter shoes ? and about those shoes ? have you used either of those brands and models ?

OH ALSO !

Same problem goes to my fingers, they are getting cold and numb. Any recommendation for winter cycling gloves ? That does not cost so much, looking for price&performance kind of gloves here.

Thank you !.

 

[Jayem]

Also hearing from some of my friends that i should not buy cycling shoe with ankle protection like trekking boots that affect my performance.

Your friends are idiots.

Go with the warmest of the two, you won't regret it and it's better than being miserable with numb toes.

Both of those are just basically summer shoes with solid material instead of mesh, one has a little neoprene bootie for your ankle. IME, these won't be very warm. If they work for you, that's great. In my experience, SPD pedals are very efficient heat sinks, so they'll suck heat out of your foot, even in warmer conditions. 5c can still get pretty chilly over time IME. I think one step up from those, like some of mid-range Lake boots, might be a better bet for those temps. Depends on how warm your feet stay, some people have more trouble keeping extremities warm and need to go to further lengths. I see that at least one of those is waterproof. Are you expecting water?

Also, those "cuffs" on the SIDIs are pretty worthless IME, they don't cinch tight and they will flop open relatively easily. My old Lakes had a similar setup and IME it's not great. You'll see on the newer Lakes they have fixed this with much better cuff-retention. That cuff doesn't do anything for your ankle by the way. You need to step up to something like the Lake 300 series or Wolfhammer boots for that.

The problem with gloves is this, they get damp no matter what. Those temps are basically what we've been riding in the last month and a half. It doesn't matter what gloves, just not thick ski gloves. Make sure the gloves have wind-block on the front side. The key is to take two sets of gloves IME. Keep one set dry for halfway in the ride. If your fingers are getting colder, throw the extra set under your shirt so your body warmth will heat them up while you ride, then switch out. My contingency is some chemical boot-warmers. On rubber grips they will eventually "stick" after a while, some tape (wrapped around your seat tube) helps though. These are slim and won't affect your brake/shift operation much. Another pro-tip is if it's a colder day, your gloves have gotten much wetter/colder, pop those chem heaters and insert them into the dry pair of gloves (in a dry spot, like in your pack/frame bag) and let them bake for a while, then take them out and you not only have dry gloves, but dry warm gloves. I avoid ski-gloves and thicker gloves at all costs, they affect bike handling significantly and your fingers just drench themselves in sweat. When it gets really cold I switch to pogies with thin glove liners, for the same reason, bike handling.

 

[ualar]

Your friends are idiots.

Go with the warmest of the two, you won't regret it and it's better than being miserable with numb toes.

My friends say i should buy winter shoe cover, and wrap my summer shoes with those for cold times. But i dislike any kind of wrap, don't want to bother with those and i think those are better for road cyclist.

 

[mtnbkrmike]

My friends say i should buy winter shoe cover, and wrap my summer shoes with those for cold times. But i dislike any kind of wrap, don't want to bother with those and i think those are better for road cyclist.

See post #2.

 

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you need real winter boots
at a minimum, something like the defroster

pogies for hands

aerogel inserts for the boots if not already installed

 

[ualar]

Your friends are idiots.

Go with the warmest of the two, you won't regret it and it's better than being miserable with numb toes.

Both of those are just basically summer shoes with solid material instead of mesh, one has a little neoprene bootie for your ankle. IME, these won't be very warm. If they work for you, that's great. In my experience, SPD pedals are very efficient heat sinks, so they'll suck heat out of your foot, even in warmer conditions. 5c can still get pretty chilly over time IME. I think one step up from those, like some of mid-range Lake boots, might be a better bet for those temps. Depends on how warm your feet stay, some people have more trouble keeping extremities warm and need to go to further lengths.

Thank you for your reply mate, i am also using thermal warm socks but 20-30 km/h wind with 5-10c weather kind of chill. Plus i am only looking for SPD shoe. Maybe those shoes have some kind of protection for cleat area ?.

 

[Nat]

The temperature range that you posted, 5C - 10C, isn't terribly wintery cold (it's 41F - 50F for those of you who don't bother to do the conversion). Maybe a piece of duct tape across the top of the toe box of your usual shoes would be enough to keep cool air off your toes?

100% Brisker gloves are awesome for that temperature range.

https://www.amazon.com/100-Brisker-...la-584866039882&ref=&adgrpid=61856009493&th=1

If $35 is still outside of your budget then a pair of insulated work gloves from a hardware store for about $10 works too.

 

[Jayem]

Thank you for your reply mate, i am also using thermal warm socks but 20-30 km/h wind with 5-10c weather kind of chill. Plus i am only looking for SPD shoe. Maybe those shoes have some kind of protection for cleat area ?.

So this is really the crux of the issue. Most winter boots, even the MUCH thicker ones, do not have additional insulation between your foot and the cleat. It's a short distance, there's not much in-between, it's a great heat-sink that sucks the heat out of the bottom of your foot. The pedal is then a heat sink. Go grab your metal pedals indoors when it's 75 degrees. They will be MUCH colder to the touch than ambient temp.

The toe box is also a big concern. The toe-box is in the wind constantly, it's seeing freezing temps wind-chill all the time. It's basically unprotected by any other slipstream effects. A big enough toe-box and insulation on the toe-box is important IME.

 

[Jayem]

The temperature range that you posted, 5C - 10C, isn't terribly wintery cold (it's 41F - 50F for those of you who don't bother to do the conversion). Maybe a piece of duct tape across the top of the toe box of your usual shoes would be enough to keep cool air off your toes?

100% Brisker gloves are awesome for that temperature range.

https://www.amazon.com/100-Brisker-...la-584866039882&ref=&adgrpid=61856009493&th=1

If $35 is still outside of your budget then a pair of insulated work gloves from a hardware store for about $10 works too.

My toes can easily go numb at 41 degrees. Fingers too. Insulated work gloves at the hardware store get wet, anything with more insulation gets more wet, which eventually gets more cold.

 

[ualar]

The temperature range that you posted, 5C - 10C, isn't terribly wintery cold (it's 41F - 50F for those of you who don't bother to do the conversion). Maybe a piece of duct tape across the top of the toe box of your usual shoes would be enough to keep cool air off your toes?

100% Brisker gloves are awesome for that temperature range.

https://www.amazon.com/100-Brisker-...la-584866039882&ref=&adgrpid=61856009493&th=1

If $35 is still outside of your budget then a pair of insulated work gloves from a hardware store for about $10 works too.

Thank you mate !, 35 dollars is fine alone but shipping costs and additional taxes are problem 😁, ill check into those.

 

[Jayem]

you need real winter boots
at a minimum, something like the defroster
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pogies for hands

aerogel inserts for the boots if not already installed

I agree with Nat though, pogies at 41 degrees will be overkill.

 

[Jayem]

The temperature range that you posted, 5C - 10C, isn't terribly wintery cold (it's 41F - 50F for those of you who don't bother to do the conversion). Maybe a piece of duct tape across the top of the toe box of your usual shoes would be enough to keep cool air off your toes?

100% Brisker gloves are awesome for that temperature range.

https://www.amazon.com/100-Brisker-...la-584866039882&ref=&adgrpid=61856009493&th=1

If $35 is still outside of your budget then a pair of insulated work gloves from a hardware store for about $10 works too.

Here's the question though, do those brisker gloves have wind-block on the outer face like Pearl Izumis? This can make a pretty big difference when you start going faster.

 

[Nat]

My toes can easily go numb at 41 degrees. Fingers too. Insulated work gloves at the hardware store get wet, anything with more insulation gets more wet, which eventually gets more cold.

I don't disbelieve you. Everyone should dress for whatever their body needs for their climate. Maybe I have more natural marbling to keep me warm than you do, ha ha.

In the 40F range the only change I make from my usual warm weather costume is to use a thicker long sleeve jersey and those Brisker gloves I linked to above (I usually ride in pants and a full face).

 

[Nat]

Here's the question though, do those brisker gloves have wind-block on the outer face like Pearl Izumis? This can make a pretty big difference when you start going faster.

Yeah, they have a decent wind block but I don't think they're as airtight as say something with Gore-Tex. I like them because they're not overly warm. If it's in the 30Fs then they're not enough for me. The palm area is thin like a regular summer glove. My colder weather gloves have thicker palms.

 

[Jayem]

I don't disbelieve you. Everyone should dress for whatever their body needs for their climate. Maybe I have more natural marbling to keep me warm than you do, ha ha.

In the 40F range the only change I make from my usual warm weather costume is to use a thicker long sleeve jersey and those Brisker gloves I linked to above (I usually ride in pants and a full face).

I've noticed some pretty big differences moving through trees down low at low speeds, vs being up on open ridge tops in just a little bit of wind, especially when you start moving faster on said ridgetop. Another situation is extended downhills. I can be fine at the slow speeds with very minimal stuff, but once I start going faster with wind, it can dramatically affect what I need to wear.

 

[fly4130]

I have had great results at those just above freezing temps with 45North Ragnarok shoes and wool socks. Synthetic winter/cold weather socks would work too. Their Nokken gloves work well for me too. Your circulation and temps will need to be assessed to figure out if it works for you.

 

[Nat]

I've noticed some pretty big differences moving through trees down low at low speeds, vs being up on open ridge tops in just a little bit of wind, especially when you start moving faster on said ridgetop. Another situation is extended downhills. I can be fine at the slow speeds with very minimal stuff, but once I start going faster with wind, it can dramatically affect what I need to wear.

So true. I often carry a light windbreaker if I expect to be changing elevation like that. I also have this one long sleeved top (marketed more for runners than bikers) that has a windproof chest but the rest is synthetic wicking material that breathes well. I'm not sure why I don't use it more often.

 

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I agree with Nat though, pogies at 41 degrees will be overkill.

I was thinking F

at C, just covers for existing shoes, wool socks
pearl izumi cyclone gloves

 

[mtnbkrmike]

I agree with Nat though, pogies at 41 degrees will be overkill.

I have chinooks throughout the winter, where I am. Temps range from minus 35 to plus 20 C. I love using pogies straight through winter, regardless of temps, because it’s awesome being able to wear thin biking gloves, or even no gloves at all. I hate wearing big bulky winter gloves when I am biking.

 

[ualar]

Here's the question though, do those brisker gloves have wind-block on the outer face like Pearl Izumis? This can make a pretty big difference when you start going faster.

Just checked both Brisker and Pearl Izumis

Pearl Izumi Cyclone Long Gloves

This one for winter, it's bit cheaper than Brisker, Pearl Izumi also bit longer and cover the wrist under long sleeve jersey.

i am going to order this gloves, size chart a bit weird tho, Normally ''L'' size fit my hands, but for Pearl i had to buy size ''M''