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I have now owned the Black Moth for a year. I originally got it after "upgrading" to a longer travel bike, and noticing that I missed having a lighter, smaller travel suspension bike.

Originally I tried to love a 2008 RIP 9, but it ended up the loser in a personal comparison to the Moth. (thread here) PS: I have nothing bad to say about the RIP, it just didn't suit me.



Over the past year it has been one of three Lenz suspension frames I ride regularly. Admittedly, in the last few months, I have been distracted by another burlier bike, and the little black bike has languished a bit. I loaned it to a friend for the last month or so. I just got it back, and riding it again made me realize just how much I continue to like this bike.

It is very nimble, lifts the front end in a heartbeat, and climbs tech stuff unbelievably well. For me, the bike inspires a lot of confidence. Plus it is a hoot to ride.



If I am honest, five inches of travel with a light build is more than enough for my needs. I have fun with the burlier bike, but certainly have no need for it. SuperDan had no trouble keeping up with me when he rode the little black bike with me locally or in South Mountain chunk.

One nice thing about this frame is one can build it to suit. Weenie it out for a 26 lb XC machine, or add wheel, tire, and fork weight for a rugged AM 34 lb beast. It has no trouble playing either role. At my middle of the road 31 lb weight, there is nothing I am capable and willing to ride that it can't handle.

Things I like:

Nimble
Light front end
Slack
Technical climbing agility.

Things I don't like: Not much.

Slight points off for the single pivot rear. I know at least one rider who sold his Moth due to poor perceived pedaling performance. It works brilliantly in my experience, especially in the small ring, but I am looking for maximum traction, not speed. Middle ring, speedy climbers might not like it as much.

Cramped front triangle with no ability to run a coil, and no room for a bottle.



I still like it. I still don't find anything else on the current market interesting. I have kept it for a year with no plans to ditch it any time soon, which says something given my level of bike OCD.

The upcoming Banshee Claymore will supposedly mimic the geometry of the Moth somewhat, with a few Banshee touches of their own: bushings at suspension pivots, a bit slacker, ICSG tabs, dual link suspension, and who knows what else. The Claymore might be the only contender to knock the Moth off its throne in my heart if it delivers the goods.



YMMV.
 

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Nice. I haven't ridden my 29er in months; been having way too much little wheel fun. Anxious to get the Monk put back together again.
 

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GREAT, JUST GREAT!! I FINALLY HAD MY MIND SET ON A LUNCHBOX, YOU GO AND COME OUT WITH THIS GLOWING REVIEW!! AAAAARRRGH!!!!

I am running a Moth now- love it too. It is all you describe and more. A lot of bike, but not too much, climbs like a dream, descends even better. I love it I love it I love it on TOAST!!!

I guess I should just keep my Moth, buy a Box and complete my Lenz quiver: Money, Moth, Box.
 

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GREAT, JUST GREAT!! I FINALLY HAD MY MIND SET ON A LUNCHBOX, YOU GO AND COME OUT WITH THIS GLOWING REVIEW!! AAAAARRRGH!!!!

I am running a Moth now- love it too. It is all you describe and more. A lot of bike, but not too much, climbs like a dream, descends even better. I love it I love it I love it on TOAST!!!

I guess I should just keep my Moth, buy a Box and complete my Lenz quiver: Money, Moth, Box.
Box. :devil:
 

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it's nice to see someone enjoying his bike without getting too much "upgradeitis". i would like to see a comparo of the behemoth vs the dw sultan, anybody?
 

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it's nice to see someone enjoying his bike without getting too much "upgradeitis". i would like to see a comparo of the behemoth vs the dw sultan, anybody?
Flyer is the only one I know of who has time on both frames. He is the guy who got rid of his Behemoth after only a couple of weeks, preferring the DW Sultan. Maybe he will weigh in, but my feeling was he really preferred the pedaling performance of the DW.

I only had a short demo on the Sultan and was very impressed with the suspension feel and performance, but did not like the geometry for how I ride. It comes down to personal preferences and priorities.

Anyone else out there with time on both frames??
 

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bonesetter2004 said:
Great bike, but is there something wrong with your Gravity Dropper?
Not that I know of? I turn it backwards, and it seems to make the cable run smoother and slightly less ugly. It also puts the pin holes on the compression side of the post rather than the tension side. Don't know if it makes any difference from a strength standpoint.
 

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D3DO said:
GREAT, JUST GREAT!! I FINALLY HAD MY MIND SET ON A LUNCHBOX, YOU GO AND COME OUT WITH THIS GLOWING REVIEW!! AAAAARRRGH!!!!

I am running a Moth now- love it too. It is all you describe and more. A lot of bike, but not too much, climbs like a dream, descends even better. I love it I love it I love it on TOAST!!!

I guess I should just keep my Moth, buy a Box and complete my Lenz quiver: Money, Moth, Box.
Or build up a Box light or with one light wheelset and one heavy duty wheelset and sell the Moth.

Personally I don't see the point of a Box that is not built burly.
 

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Well written and reasoned, E. It's not the perfect bike for everybody, but it does a lotta things really well.

One nit: It (and the Box) can run a coil-over, just not a piggyback.

Cheers,

MC
 

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Not that I know of? I turn it backwards, and it seems to make the cable run smoother and slightly less ugly. It also puts the pin holes on the compression side of the post rather than the tension side. Don't know if it makes any difference from a strength standpoint.
You've got that backwards; the back is always in compression, and the front in tension (I'm assuming that you mean that pin in front is backwards). I haven't heard of folks bending them in either direction.

I run my GD Turbo backwards (with a noodle) to hopefully keep some of the grit out of the pin or cable housing. I have bent the noodle a couple of times, though, so I'm thinking of swapping it for a roller-ma-jig.
 

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You've got that backwards; the back is always in compression, and the front in tension (I'm assuming that you mean that pin in front is backwards).
I am saying the pin in front is "forward". So we are saying the same thing.:thumbsup:

Mikesee: I forgot about the non-reservoir coils fitting. Doh.
 
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