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I was on this narrow, rocky section of singletrack the other day
and out of nowhere came this rattler and it was pissed for some
reason. I've never seen anything like this before.
It was hissing and rattling loudly and advancing toward
me at the same time, forcing me to go back down the trail
the way I came from. I threw some rocks, hitting it with
a couple, it just moved off the trail about a foot or so,
but stayed coiled in the strike position and would not
let me pass by. I finally decided I would be better to
just go back and try a different trail, as it was starting to get
late anyway, rather than risk getting bitten.
The markings seemed a little duller than what you'd
see on a regular diamondback, and it had a black band
right before the rattle.
 

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Well I guess the herpetology dudes are saying Mojaves are becoming the dominant rattler species in the desert.

Field expedient method of identifying one is by the bands near the tail - the Mojave has white bands larger in width than the black ones.

Apparently Mojaves can get extremely aggressive when po'd. The tend to be most active in the evening and at night.

Here is a dandy little article on the fun they cause http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic541.htm

Where were you riding?

Old desert Indian lore says if you see a snake you will die within a year if you don't kill it and chop it into 9 pieces.

Snakes, I hate snakes.
 

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I encountered one in Vegas, and it would not budge at all. Very different in behavior from other snakes I have encountered that usually just try to escape.



Had a slight greenish tint to it.
 

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Enel said:
I encountered one in Vegas, and it would not budge at all. Very different in behavior from other snakes I have encountered that usually just try to escape.



Had a slight greenish tint to it.
That snake looks really scary. Looks to be in a half strike. I am glad this topic came up, usually snakes don't scare me much, but one that may give chase?:eek: I will be a bit more alert from now on.

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I believe ther'te isn any good reasons to kill any snake one may come across out in the field. Isn't seeing the local wild life one of the great things about getting out beyond the streets? I understand if you have some kids, or animals and you come across a rattler close to home but otherwise I believe they are too awsome just to kill. I envy those of you who have had the chance to come across such an animal!
 

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If I were a betting man, I would have plopped down a big wad of sweaty money that this thread would have generated a lot of activity today. Instead, it never really took off like I thought it would.

Must be too dang hot for people to climb up on their soap boxes today. I was sure that the snake lovers would jump in there and whoop and holler ...you know....how would you like rocks thrown at you....kinda stuff......then the "nuke all the snakes" people would join in and say.....damn that snake for chasing humans.... Yetisurly would then jump in and ask, "Do we value the life of a snake more than human life????" He'd then call all the snake supporters "human haters".....but it doesn't look like this is going to happen today, so I'm going to throw in my own "throw a rock at a snake" story.

Now, this was a long time ago, back when I could throw rocks pretty good..... I am since a changed man, and cannot throw rocks pretty good...

Mckshred and I were out for a summer ride about 12 years ago. Mckshred had just bought a brand new Cannondale full-suspension bike (a pretty big deal back in that day). We rounded a corner and there was a huge rattler in the middle of the trail. (I'm going to say he was aggressive and was threatening me with outlandish behavior to avoid the wrath of the snake supporters here....remember...I'm a changed man).

I stopped well short of the snake, so now, the snake's in between Mckshred and I. I picked up a huge rock and hurled it at the snake, you know....to make it move or scare it.....or crush him into a gazillion pieces....

Only....I missed badly, and the boulder bounced like 5 times, picking up more and more speed before it came to a rest on the frame of Mckshred's brand new Cannondale bike, which to this day sports a dent in it to remind me of the incident. I don't remember much after that, only that the snake would not bite me and put me out of my misery. There was a long, awkward, silence for well....pretty much a month or so. I have never thrown another rock at a snake and cannot look at Mckshred or another Cannondale in the eye...
 

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su.ling~ said:
Yes, the Mohaves have a greenish tint usually but I thought they were the less abundant species of rattlesnakes here. Who knows. I've seen some beautiful pink ones around T100 trails.

http://www.biopark.org/Cscutulatus.html
Nature is never static...

Here's another interesting article:

http://www.nhmag.com/features/0700_feature.html

A little bit of the old Red Queen - gotta run faster just to stay in place

As for me I will never find a snake beautiful....I got that primate response to them wired in my DNA. Fascinating creatures yes - I did a research project on the vomeronasal system and strike response with corn snakes a little bit back...
 

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Silver_Slug said:
If I were a betting man, I would have plopped down a big wad of sweaty money that this thread would have generated a lot of activity today. Instead, it never really took off like I thought it would.

Must be too dang hot for people to climb up on their soap boxes today. I was sure that the snake lovers would jump in there and whoop and holler ...you know....how would you like rocks thrown at you....kinda stuff......then the "nuke all the snakes" people would join in and say.....damn that snake for chasing humans.... Yetisurly would then jump in and ask, "Do we value the life of a snake more than human life????" He'd then call all the snake supporters "human haters".....but it doesn't look like this is going to happen today, so I'm going to throw in my own "throw a rock at a snake" story.

Now, this was a long time ago, back when I could throw rocks pretty good..... I am since a changed man, and cannot throw rocks pretty good...

Mckshred and I were out for a summer ride about 12 years ago. Mckshred had just bought a brand new Cannondale full-suspension bike (a pretty big deal back in that day). We rounded a corner and there was a huge rattler in the middle of the trail. (I'm going to say he was aggressive and was threatening me with outlandish behavior to avoid the wrath of the snake supporters here....remember...I'm a changed man).

I stopped well short of the snake, so now, the snake's in between Mckshred and I. I picked up a huge rock and hurled it at the snake, you know....to make it move or scare it.....or crush him into a gazillion pieces....

Only....I missed badly, and the boulder bounced like 5 times, picking up more and more speed before it came to a rest on the frame of Mckshred's brand new Cannondale bike, which to this day sports a dent in it to remind me of the incident. I don't remember much after that, only that the snake would not bite me and put me out of my misery. There was a long, awkward, silence for well....pretty much a month or so. I have never thrown another rock at a snake and cannot look at Mckshred or another Cannondale in the eye...
Yeah, like that story has any truth to it.
 

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Enel said:
I encountered one in Vegas, and it would not budge at all. Very different in behavior from other snakes I have encountered that usually just try to escape.



Had a slight greenish tint to it.
Hey this looks alot like the snake I encountered a few weeks back...threw rocks and stuff, he didn't back down. All he did was keep posing and rattling. I had to divert thru the desert with bike amongst a series of thorn trees. I hate snakes.
 

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Which is worse ? A Rattler or the rock thrown at it ?

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The description of the 'toss' is more like - <O:p</O:p
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Silver Slug 'lightly tossed' the softball size rock hoping to crush the snake like a pancake. I stood about 20 yards away behind a mesquite bush, positive my shiny new full suspension was a safe distance away from 'Chuck Knaublach Jr.'. <O:p</O:p
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I watched 'the toss', as it missed the snake and bounced left, right, left, down around a corner and thru a mesquite bush (no kidding) until I heard 'clink'. Silence from Silver Slug and myself as I approached my pristine new bike.......which turned to tears when I uncovered the dent on the top tube !!!! I think Silver Slug actually feared for his life, since he'd seen my temper at work on the company basketball court already ! He barely had the courage to eek out the words 'oops, sorry, I guess I'll be your friend now'.<O:p</O:p
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I had been on cloud nine since I got that bike - being the first in the group to have full suspension while also being the poorest in the group was a double coup. So much for the brotherin that were sporting the Specialized Future Shock - I had FULL SUSPENSION FIRST !!!!<O:p</O:p
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Once that rock hit, I might as well have been riding a Huffy in sandals. I had to take 5 years off from riding after this traumatic event.<O:p</O:p
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Now I ride an Intense Tracer - that some knucklehead at a bike shop in Sisters, </ST1:p<O:p</O:p
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My next bike will have an airbag to protect the frame (hey, it could double as an Oxygen tank for the climb up <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
Oregon</st1:State> didn't know how to ship - The idiot actually packed the wheel against the down tube and viola, dent-arama on the down tube (but that's another story). I even shipped plumber's insulation to cover the tubes, but the idiot still couldn't get it right. Don't go to Eurosports Bike shop in Sisters, Oregon.<ST1
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akitadogg said:
Thanks for the article. Very interesting read.

I did not know how deadly Mojave's are when we saw that one, until I did a little research.

Scary thing is that a friend and I almost rode directly over it (very well camouflaged), and I was second in line, with the road and cars 2 hours away. I rode within 1 ft of it.
 
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I almost ran over a Mojave on Desert Classic this spring. It was right in the middle of the trail and it rattled and slithered away under a rock.
 

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Hmmm....

Silver Slug: Thanks for the laugh!

Oh...I know your expecting it, but I can't help myself.

AINT KARMA A BIA**TCH!

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Oh.. McShred.. Sorry 'bout da bike.
I might suggest that that is more the Law of Unintended Consequences rather than karma/kismet

Kind of like when a fellow I know ran over a pronghorn and tried to put it of her misery with a round to the head and the bullet basketballed and popped a hole in the oil pan of his dandy new rig.

Or when my dad had a fishin' lure stuck in his face after getting wicked frostbite on his toes, so his buddy the FWP commissioner was driving him home in my dad's rig and they happened to T-bone an angus bull right in the chops....4 grand gone right there..2 for the front end damage and 2 for the headless bovine.

Good stuff like this makes life interesting and worth living.
 

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as a person that studied herpetology as an undergrad, there was a little running geek joke about Mojave's. It was that they kind of have "short man's syndrome" they aren't quite a full on sidewinder and they aren't quite a diamondback so they are just pissed off at the world all the time like the kid that got picked last in gym class...

I like snakes a lot more than disease carrying rodents

please don't kill snakes.
 

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dirtybiker said:
as a person that studied herpetology as an undergrad, there was a little running geek joke about Mojave's. It was that they kind of have "short man's syndrome" they aren't quite a full on sidewinder and they aren't quite a diamondback so they are just pissed off at the world all the time like the kid that got picked last in gym class...

I like snakes a lot more than disease carrying rodents

please don't kill snakes.
Agreed, amen.:)
 

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dirtybiker said:
as a person that studied herpetology as an undergrad, there was a little running geek joke about Mojave's. It was that they kind of have "short man's syndrome" they aren't quite a full on sidewinder and they aren't quite a diamondback so they are just pissed off at the world all the time like the kid that got picked last in gym class...

I like snakes a lot more than disease carrying rodents

please don't kill snakes.
I prefer the rodents by far - might be mentioned reptiles carry disease too. Mojaves are actually classified as medium to large rattlesnakes.

I also realize there are many valid reasons for dispatching snakes at certain times. I've only taken out 2 rattlers in my life and would prefer never to kill another..the first slid into a hide site I had when I was in the green machine so I decapitated it with a bayonet and later ate it. The other was years later: I had had a snakebit horse in my corrals so I shot the damn thing.
Did you know snakes are responsible for more human deaths every year than any other animal? On a worldwide basis that is....and not including the beloved disease caused by plasmodium spp.

However if a snake isn't bothering me, I surely won't have anything to do with it. My ankle was once even attacked by a garter snake when I was collecting rocks on the Salmon for a garden I had. Ironic thing was I was at that very moment wondering what size rock constituted medium sized rocks (since that seems to be the preferred size for snakes to hang out under). The snake survived though my heart just about exploded when I abruptly realized it was wrapped around my foot.
 

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On an off topic note:

Does anyone here know if the AZ fish and game require licenses for cottontails?
I couldn't find a definitive anwer on their website other than that you can hunt them year round and the bag limit per day is 10. I'm going to call on Monday to find out.

I only have about 40 lbs of game meat left from last year and it's only going to last me a few more weeks - and I highly doubt I will have resident privileges back home any more for deer, elk , and antelope. So that means I need an alternative food source pretty soon and I have about 6 dandy rabbit recipes that could be used to tide me over for a bit.

Thanks
 
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