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Nice stuff!...
Great shot of that guy going off that elevated bridge! FR Migz rode that last year on his hardtail w/ a 4" fork, if'in 'ya can even believe it (the legend continues).
And Kitchenware had a near-death experience on that exposed kitty litter section
Man, that stuff had me more than alittle sketched out.
Looks like fun was had by all!!
BTW Shaine, after doing some research, I've determined that you're riding my current dream bike You running the 7" link? How's it been so far, any negatives?
Great shot of that guy going off that elevated bridge! FR Migz rode that last year on his hardtail w/ a 4" fork, if'in 'ya can even believe it (the legend continues).
And Kitchenware had a near-death experience on that exposed kitty litter section
Man, that stuff had me more than alittle sketched out.Looks like fun was had by all!!
BTW Shaine, after doing some research, I've determined that you're riding my current dream bike
You running the 7" link? How's it been so far, any negatives?
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Here's some of my f'ed shots of the weekend madness
View would have been to Kanas w/o all the damn rain!
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short movie of Eric and Shaine
https://kirkmetz.is-a-geek.com/CS_04/MOV00996.MPG
pics:
1. Dave on kitty litter slope
2. Rocky launching bridge (edited per below reply, really can't tell who it is with the blur)
3. Going huge!!
4. Nick working the kitty litter
View would have been to Kanas w/o all the damn rain!
short movie of Eric and Shaine
https://kirkmetz.is-a-geek.com/CS_04/MOV00996.MPG
pics:
1. Dave on kitty litter slope
2. Rocky launching bridge (edited per below reply, really can't tell who it is with the blur)
3. Going huge!!
4. Nick working the kitty litter
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DREAM BIKE!?!?!? You dumped the bullit for the lighter enduro and now you want the SuperMoto? It's a f'ing heavy trail bike. Shaine's got it built up at 40lbs.
He's got it setup at 8inches in the rear right now. Not that I can answer for him, but I love riding it. Super plush, but I woudn't like pedalling it to the top of FR climbs. Not as responsive though as I like due to weight, but since you really don't need to pick a line with it either, not to big a deal.
Any updates on the ankle/foot?
He's got it setup at 8inches in the rear right now. Not that I can answer for him, but I love riding it. Super plush, but I woudn't like pedalling it to the top of FR climbs. Not as responsive though as I like due to weight, but since you really don't need to pick a line with it either, not to big a deal.
Any updates on the ankle/foot?
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Wow! I didn't think that they were such pigs!!....
Is it the FR version or the DH? I thought that the FR model had 7" max travel, and was only about 8-9 lbs.(about like a Bullit).
Anyway, dreams turn into nightmares pretty quickly sometimes Yeah, no forty pounder for this here puppy, I'd do 35 max.
But another option would be a Heckler bumped up to 6", with a floating brake, shhhwwweeet! You still diggin' yours? Seems like you sure are racking up the miles
I do like the Enduro, but I'm always wondering, hmmm, what if....... and I like those Quasimotos too! Very nice. Great daydream'in material anyhoo.
Ankle's healing slowly, had the 2nd surgery w/ a bunch of screws three weeks ago, but will still have the pins/external fixture for another 3 weeks, then maybe weight bearing 2 weeks after that. Hope to try some one legged spinning soon, we'll see. Atleast I'm not a Percocet/Oxycontin junkie anymore, that sh!t's tough to get off, after using it for a month!!
Thanks for askin'
Is it the FR version or the DH? I thought that the FR model had 7" max travel, and was only about 8-9 lbs.(about like a Bullit).
Anyway, dreams turn into nightmares pretty quickly sometimes
Yeah, no forty pounder for this here puppy, I'd do 35 max.But another option would be a Heckler bumped up to 6", with a floating brake, shhhwwweeet! You still diggin' yours? Seems like you sure are racking up the miles
I do like the Enduro, but I'm always wondering, hmmm, what if....... and I like those Quasimotos too! Very nice. Great daydream'in material anyhoo.
Ankle's healing slowly, had the 2nd surgery w/ a bunch of screws three weeks ago, but will still have the pins/external fixture for another 3 weeks, then maybe weight bearing 2 weeks after that. Hope to try some one legged spinning soon, we'll see. Atleast I'm not a Percocet/Oxycontin junkie anymore, that sh!t's tough to get off, after using it for a month!!
Thanks for askin'
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Didn't know there was two models. Titus are so out of my financial world I don't even dream about them...$2400 for a frame only...ouch!daveM said:
Love the Heckler. Absolutely love it. It's been nearly trouble free, especially compared to my first adventure into full suspension with a broken pivot weekly. I've got mine built up at about 35lbs though. Don't like it so much for climbing, but love it for when I point it downhill. So what's this "bump to 6inches" thing? Who makes a floating break for the heckler?daveM said:But another option would be a Heckler bumped up to 6", with a floating brake, shhhwwweeet! You still diggin' yours? Seems like you sure are racking up the miles
Get better soon!
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Ahh, them Super's ain't so bad...
The Supermoto FR is only $1599 on Titus's site. I think that it's their cheapest full suspension.
I didn't realize that the Heckler doesn't have a shock shuttle, I guess adding more travel probably wouldn't work, too high BB, too steep head angle, front/rear triangle contact. I don't think that there's much difference going from 5"-6" anyways, only 20%.
Yeah, bikes like the Enduro and Heckler are pretty ideal for Front Range climbs and descents, and you can't beat Santa Cruz's customer service, especially their crash replacement policy.
The Supermoto FR is only $1599 on Titus's site. I think that it's their cheapest full suspension.
I didn't realize that the Heckler doesn't have a shock shuttle, I guess adding more travel probably wouldn't work, too high BB, too steep head angle, front/rear triangle contact. I don't think that there's much difference going from 5"-6" anyways, only 20%.
Yeah, bikes like the Enduro and Heckler are pretty ideal for Front Range climbs and descents, and you can't beat Santa Cruz's customer service, especially their crash replacement policy.
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Yeah, the FR wasn't available model when Shaine got his...I believe his is closer to the DH version. Maybe the SM FR is more your style....frame price isn't too bad at the 1600 range.
Love SC crash replacement policy. No matter how bad I trash my bike, I can get a new frame for $500.(250 per triangle). I really think I'd have a tough time finding a reason at this point to ever switch brands....
Love SC crash replacement policy. No matter how bad I trash my bike, I can get a new frame for $500.(250 per triangle). I really think I'd have a tough time finding a reason at this point to ever switch brands....
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If only they had something between the Heckler and the VP Free with the VPP technology, I'd be sticking with them too.ibmkidIII said:
If only there was a REAL place to demo Santa Cruz, the Free might not be such a bad front range choice. It can be built with an 888 in the mid/upper 30s. I went to the Sports Garage to see if they had one a while back and they wanted a $100 for a day long demo ride on a Heckler with sloppy blown bushings in the shock pivots and questionable looking components.
What's the SC dealer you went through, again?
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Yup, SC has got it down...
I'd like to try a few months on a Heckler some day, I love that swingarm design, and the replaceable dropout. The Bullit was nice, but I don't think that I have enough testicular mass to take full advantage of the beef/extra travel
Oh, and I bet that Brake Therapy has a floating brake model for the Heckler, though I don't know for sure. Going from FSR to Bullit and back to FSR, I gotta say that an active rear suspension under braking is alot more fun for my riding style ( I ride my brakes too much on steep terrain). If anything, I'll probably ride more conservatively when I get back in the saddle, fast is cool, but injured SUCKS!!
I'd like to try a few months on a Heckler some day, I love that swingarm design, and the replaceable dropout. The Bullit was nice, but I don't think that I have enough testicular mass to take full advantage of the beef/extra travel
Oh, and I bet that Brake Therapy has a floating brake model for the Heckler, though I don't know for sure. Going from FSR to Bullit and back to FSR, I gotta say that an active rear suspension under braking is alot more fun for my riding style ( I ride my brakes too much on steep terrain). If anything, I'll probably ride more conservatively when I get back in the saddle, fast is cool, but injured SUCKS!!
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I went through Denver Spoke. They had a medium Heckler built up as well as a small bullit for me to ride around on. I couldn't demo it per se, but they took my license and between you and me I beat the piss out of the bikes for about half an hour each on some stuff near their shop. They are relatively close to some type of campus (DU?) so I was dropping $hit and climbing stuff there to get the feel of the bikes. I ended up going with a small heckler frame hangning on the wall.
Personally I think the VPP technology is overated. I had a four bar previously and I get less bob with this single pivot with the fifth mounted on it. PLUS they have less pivots, so less things to go wrong.
Personally I think the VPP technology is overated. I had a four bar previously and I get less bob with this single pivot with the fifth mounted on it. PLUS they have less pivots, so less things to go wrong.
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Be weary on the replacable dropout (similar issue with bullit). They're forty a pop, and they're so beefy you'll destroy ( I have twice now) a derailleurr before you do serious damage to the hanger. I personally would like a cheaper/flimsier dropout. I have a deraillleur hanger alligment tool which I can fix a bent dropout with, but not so easy fixing a bent derailleur and at $50+ a pop I have to be more careful than I like.
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Couple other things (yeah I'm slacking at the office today).
I mean this in the nicest way, but I think you're high if you think you could build the vp free even close to 35lbs with a 888 up front. I think low 40's is more reasonable unless you're going XTR/crossmax which just isn't reasonable either. I might be able to out climb you if you decide to go this route.
And you mean between the blur and the VP Free right?....
I mean this in the nicest way, but I think you're high if you think you could build the vp free even close to 35lbs with a 888 up front. I think low 40's is more reasonable unless you're going XTR/crossmax which just isn't reasonable either. I might be able to out climb you if you decide to go this route.
And you mean between the blur and the VP Free right?....
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I might be.ibmkidIII said:
Maybe I should ride a burly Heckler before I go any further. I've had only the best experiences with Scott and the SC team.
There's one for sale local, but it looks rough for the $ in the photos. Maybe I should go check it out anyway.
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Me thinks the Heckler is a wise choice for the aggro descender who likes to climb big for his descents. Course I'm prejudice. With the TALAS up front I can lower the head angle for the long climbs, and can still descend relatively well with it....I'd like a Z1 150 with ETA....but I digress. Imagine how slack a head angle on a a VPFree with a 888 would have....not as fun to suffer on the FR climbs with really.
My skills/balls are by far the limiting factor on what I can do with the bike.
My skills/balls are by far the limiting factor on what I can do with the bike.
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