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on the trail today at Pueblo. That's how many I counted passing, not including double counts or the guys leaving the parking lot when I arrived. Mostly in groups of four or five.

It's not a complaint, though. Just nice to see so many happy riders in the tribe.

Huge thanks to the SCTB for making it possible to ride such a cool place in early January in Colorado. :thumbsup:
 

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It was busy today, as i figured it would be with temps in the mid 50's. We made the trip down from Denver again for the 3rd time this year and we have really enjoyed all that SCTB has done making it a sweet place to ride. It is well worth the 2 hour drive :thumbsup: The Canyons are a blast!!
 

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0 people... on the Lawn lake trail in RMNP. Hiking through 4 foot snow drifts above treeline. 2500 vertical, 40 degrees. ;-)
 

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I was one of them and it was a beautiful day!!!

I came up on some horseback riders and stopped and then walked by when they got off the trail. I heard her say "Wow, the bikers out here are so nice and courteous" So 84 riders out there today and zero douche bags.
That's a good number!
 

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We were down there as well. That was the busiest I've ever seen those trails. Considering how packed as that parking lot was, we passed very few groups on the trails.
 

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On the trails it certainly didn't feel any different from usual. Nobody out there. The reservoir can probably take 3x the riders easily.

Kudos to SCTB. I hope the good turn out is motivation for them and also helps them in their work with park management.
 

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cbrock450 said:
I was one of them and it was a beautiful day!!!

I came up on some horseback riders and stopped and then walked by when they got off the trail. I heard her say "Wow, the bikers out here are so nice and courteous" So 84 riders out there today and zero douche bags.
That's a good number!
Good to hear. Mtbr forum should take some of the credit.

On the side note, is there a preferred or popular riding direction for Outer Limit loop? I always wondered about this so that the trail flows better and less chance of bumping into on-coming riders.
 

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This should send a strong message to our elected officials regarding how our state lands are managed. I cannot tell you the number of conversations I have had with State Parks officials, DOW officials and the Governor's office.

Mountain bikers travel and will pay park admission fees. It is a good source of revenue for the State Park system. However, the folks planning and managing Staunton want nothing to do with it.

Write/call your state senator or representative and tell them about your experiences at Pueblo and how you would like to see other state lands managed in a similar fashion.

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David Rontal
CoMBA General Counsel
 

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However, the folks planning and managing Staunton want nothing to do with it.
Can you elaborate? Have you heard that MTBing isn't going allowed at Staunton?
 

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It isn't that mountain biking won't be allowed at Staunton. Rather, the powers that be have chosen to ignore mountain bikers as a significant user group that is willing to travel and pay park fees. A few years ago, the folks at IMBA presented the Ranger there with a travel plan that included significant singletrack. This plan was ignored, wholesale, and the travel plan to be implemented relegates bikers to old and steep jeep roads.

I think it is important that we bring to the attention of our officials how other states managed their lands (ie., Wyoming).
 

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Yep, I was one of those groups Sunday, 5 in our group. What an awesome day & a much needed break from Ft Collins snow & ice, will be back again & again. I think we missed maybe 2-3 trails, hit the rest, what a blast! :thumbsup:
 

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In concept...

Rontele said:
It isn't that mountain biking won't be allowed at Staunton. Rather, the powers that be have chosen to ignore mountain bikers as a significant user group that is willing to travel and pay park fees. A few years ago, the folks at IMBA presented the Ranger there with a travel plan that included significant singletrack. This plan was ignored, wholesale, and the travel plan to be implemented relegates bikers to old and steep jeep roads.

I think it is important that we bring to the attention of our officials how other states managed their lands (ie., Wyoming).
In concept that sounds okay to pay to play, but growing up here in CO I never had to pay to use public lands.

Now if my state (let alone federal) taxes were say...10%, then it might feel a bit better. As it is they are hovering a lot higher than that and their mismanagement of our tax dollars is the issue. How was it we didn't have to pay back in the day? I have heard that we now have more population than then. Yes, true...but doesn't that mean we also have a larger tax base? Tax income and population are in direct proportion to each other.

So as it is, we are being soaked twice when we pay to use public state lands. And if it makes sense at all, then consider charging the "out-of-state" crowd. At least there's a logical arguement for that.

So anyway that's my rant. How about holding the government accountable for their waste rather than adding new fees?

And my apologies...I know I'm OT. I just work in a field where I see a LOT of wasteful government spending...the likes of which private companies could never get away with and make their bottom line. I truly believe the dollars are there from our base taxes for great state public lands and land management and I know and have seen how much waste government programs generate.
 

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If you are trying to get State Parks to acknowledge mountain bikers in a particular park, you can also include Cheyenne Mtn State Park along with Lake Pueblo as a complete success story.

The park manager there, Rich Dudley, wanted to include bikers as a major user group from day one of the park planning process. The trails were mostly designed by Joey Klein (from IMBA) and Tony Boone of Arrowhead Trails, and I would guess that MTBers make up about 40% of the trail users. Plus we have a UCI race there every year.

My impression of the system is that each park is its own little fiefdom in the state system, so it's up to the manager of each park to make those decisions, unless directed otherwise by the state HQ. As I recall from several years back, when I went before the State Parks Board, at least three of the members of that board were MTBers themselves. If you aren't getting anywhere with the local park management, you may wish to look into contacting the State Parks Board.
 
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