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6point: anyone over 6ft ride one?

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Guy.Ford

Discussion Starter · Jan 12, 2010

Im 6'4" and have been looking at a large 6point that for sale, but the tt measure has me worried,is it really that short? Too short for someone my size? Thanks all

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mr. welcorn

· #2 · Jan 12, 2010

I'm your same height and ride a L 6point with an 85mm stem. It is a bit cramped and longer climbs sometimes get to me, but I don't live for climbing and think the tradeoff for the 6points DH performance is worth it. I ran it with an offset post for a while and that helped, but I've recently switched to a gravity dropper. Wide bars helped a bit too.

If price isn't an issue, I would be looking at the new mojo HD....very similar numbers to the 6point, but lighter weight and a longer top tube.

Guy.Ford

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 13, 2010

thanks Welcorn, seems like I was right to be hesitant.

Ive been eyeing the Firebird, guess I'll have to test ride one.

slcrockymountainrider

· #4 · Jan 13, 2010 (Edited)

mr. welcorn said:
I don't live for climbing .

I'll keep that in mind come spring.

I found this photo of some 6ft 4in gaper on a Large 6 Point not living for climbing on the Wasatch Crest Trail this past Fall. I wonder how many times this guy did not live for climbing cleaning the worst/steepest climb (Puke Hill) in the Wasatch last year? And the year before that?

So modest. So, so modest.

Wait, are those flat pedals too?

Soooooo modest.

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slcrockymountainrider

· #5 · Jan 13, 2010

Guy.Ford said:
Im 6'4" and have been looking at a large 6point that for sale, but the tt measure has me worried,is it really that short? Too short for someone my size? Thanks all

Guy.Ford,

I rode mr. welcorn's 6Point for an epic 100 yards this past summer and I'm also of superior height at 6ft 4in. It felt pretty cramped, but I had just jumped off a 25in TT Tracer VP that I'd been riding all summer. The 24in TT on the 6Point put me fairly upright. But I'm old and a bit senile and prefer the comfortable laid back postion of my Jazzy mobile lounger.

Having said that, it doesn't seem to cramp mr. welcorn's style in either the climbing or descent department. Granted he's quite a bit younger and we're still waiting for his last testicle to drop, but he still beats a lot of guys in both directions on significantly lighter bikes and he's on flat pedals. It got so bad that a portion of his riding friends stopped calling him as they thought he was racing all the time.

I didn't really mind as I had the keys to the truck so he'd still have to wait for my slow arse regardless.

Given how hard he rides that 6 Point and how cheap they're going for, you can't beat the price if you can make it work. May mean running a 90mm stem and some wide DH bars. A 6+ inch DW Link complete bike for the price of another brands frame only is hard to pass up. I sat and debated one for a long time.

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Guy.Ford

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jan 13, 2010

Slcrmr,
Thanks for the post and pic evidence that it can be done, I sincerely appreciate your input (sarcasm esp.). I had one question if you don't mind would you mind sharing the general build you used, for example fork, stem length, bars, crank lneght, etc. I would rwally appreciate it, thanks.

Beautiful pic btw you have some awesome terrain to ride, congrats.

slcrockymountainrider said:
I'll keep that in mind come spring.

I found this photo of some 6ft 4in gaper on a Large 6 Point not living for climbing on the Wasatch Crest Trail this past Fall. I wonder how many times this guy did not live for climbing cleaning the worst/steepest climb (Puke Hill) in the Wasatch last year? And the year before that?

So modest. So, so modest.

Wait, are those flat pedals too?

Soooooo modest.

Uncle Jemima

· #7 · Jan 13, 2010

mr. welcorn said:
I'm your same height and ride a L 6point with an 85mm stem. It is a bit cramped and longer climbs sometimes get to me, but I don't live for climbing and think the tradeoff for the 6points DH performance is worth it. I ran it with an offset post for a while and that helped, but I've recently switched to a gravity dropper. Wide bars helped a bit too.

If price isn't an issue, I would be looking at the new mojo HD....very similar numbers to the 6point, but lighter weight and a longer top tube.

So you race Grand Slalom, Enduro, or at Whistler for the A-LINE run? The MOJO HD is not a trailbike.
Is the 'movement' falling off of your bikes???

mr. welcorn

· #8 · Jan 13, 2010

Uncle Jemima said:
So you race Grand Slalom, Enduro, or at Whistler for the A-LINE run? The MOJO HD is not a trailbike.
Is the 'movement' falling off of your bikes???

I'm going to withhold judgement on the Mojo HD's durability until after they are released and people start riding them. Until that point all I was saying is that it has geo numbers and suspension design very similar to a 6point, so if you want a similar bike with a warranty, it might be the way to go.

What is this "movement" you speak of?

mr. welcorn

· #9 · Jan 13, 2010

Guy.Ford said:
Slcrmr,
I had one question if you don't mind would you mind sharing the general build you used, for example fork, stem length, bars, crank lneght, etc. I would really appreciate it, thanks.
.

I am running my frame with an 8.5 x 2.5" fox DHX to lower the bb and slacken the HA....the suspension dynamics are a little bit wonky due to this mod, but I like the geometry changes (66 HA, ~13.4bb), so for now it will stay this way.

I have two forks:
lyrik soloair 160mm: I use this for general trail riding
totem coil 180mm: I use this for shuttle laps, DH, etc.
Stem: Sunline V-one AM 85mm I'm running about 1" worth of spacers under my stem.
Bars: 710mm Sunline V-one....they make 745mm bars now that might work better for me, but then I think I'd be clipping trees all day long on trail rides.
cranks: 170mm (175mm would be ideal, but my bb is pretty low as is and I think I would end up with too many pedal strikes.
seatpost: gravity dropper 4" drop with the seat pushed all the way back on the rails.

I've seen these frames going for 500 bucks on fleabay, and at that price it is worth a shot.

Uncle Jemima

· #10 · Jan 13, 2010

mr. welcorn said:
I'm going to withhold judgement on the Mojo HD's durability until after they are released and people start riding them. Until that point all I was saying is that it has geo numbers and suspension design very similar to a 6point, so if you want a similar bike with a warranty, it might be the way to go.

What is this "movement" you speak of?

First, that Ibis Mojo HD is nothing like the 6POINT. The Mojo is like the 6POINT.
The HD is a disciplined build.
It is so far from a Trailbike...

Guy.Ford

Discussion Starter · #11 · Jan 13, 2010

Uncle Jemima said:
First, that Ibis Mojo HD is nothing like the 6POINT. The Mojo is like the 6POINT.
The HD is a disciplined build.
It is so far from a Trailbike...

No offense meant, but the HD is very similiar in design and concept as the 6point, Firebird and Nomad, its a HD trailbike. Get it HD!!

Also WTH is a disciplined build?? I think you lost me and the rest of the bike industry on that one, please explain.

mr. welcorn

· #12 · Jan 13, 2010

Guy.Ford said:
No offense meant, but the HD is very similiar in design and concept as the 6point, Firebird and Nomad, its a HD trailbike. Get it HD!!

Also WTH is a disciplined build?? I think you lost me and the rest of the bike industry on that one, please explain.

You took the words right out of my mouth.....I'm baffled?

Guy.Ford

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 13, 2010

mr. welcorn said:
I am running my frame with an 8.5 x 2.5" fox DHX to lower the bb and slacken the HA....the suspension dynamics are a little bit wonky due to this mod, but I like the geometry changes (66 HA, ~13.4bb), so for now it will stay this way.

I have two forks:
lyrik soloair 160mm: I use this for general trail riding
totem coil 180mm: I use this for shuttle laps, DH, etc.
Stem: Sunline V-one AM 85mm I'm running about 1" worth of spacers under my stem.
Bars: 710mm Sunline V-one....they make 745mm bars now that might work better for me, but then I think I'd be clipping trees all day long on trail rides.
cranks: 170mm (175mm would be ideal, but my bb is pretty low as is and I think I would end up with too many pedal strikes.
seatpost: gravity dropper 4" drop with the seat pushed all the way back on the rails.

I've seen these frames going for 500 bucks on fleabay, and at that price it is worth a shot.

Thanks for the breakdown, much appreciated. I was thinking of running the 8.5x2.5 also, DW says it works and it gives great angles!!

That toptube is tripping me out though. I will know better after I get some demo time on the Pivot Firebird. Im going to try a med (same TT length and large (24"tt) and decide from there.

slcrockymountainrider

· #14 · Jan 14, 2010

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Uncle Jemima said:
First, that Ibis Mojo HD is nothing like the 6POINT. The Mojo is like the 6POINT.
The HD is a disciplined build.
It is so far from a Trailbike...

I think you lost your 'street cred' Post #1, April 2009.

Mojo HD falls more in line with the schematics of the 6 Point by a mile. Vanilla Mojo runs a 69 degree HA or a hair slacker than 68 with a Fox 36. And nothing is reinforced except those frames Lopes was given special.

The 6 Point has about a mile of welding and reinforcements on it, especially on the seat tube. It can handle a ton of punishment dished out by a grad student hopped up on 5 Hour Energy drink and Cocoa Pebbles-I've seen it. Vanilla Mojo really can't. I know, I tried it, I raced a brand new vanilla Mojo in a Trail Bike DH race and the rear swing arm cracked. Apparently the Mojo HD addresses the durability issue, slack HA issue, etc... Basically it's a carbon fiber 6 Point with a half an inch longer top tube and a bit more stand over.

Having said that, the old school Mojo is still in my top 3 bikes.

My old vanilla Mojo:

The race that did it in: CAT1/PRO mixed Trail Bike DH at Sundance, UT 2009. This was the last ride ever on this bike. I had it for a few months prior. Someday I'll buy another one. Great bike.

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Uncle Jemima

· #15 · Jan 14, 2010

slcrockymountainrider said:
I think you lost your 'street cred' Post #1, April 2009.

Mojo HD falls more in line with the schematics of the 6 Point by a mile. Vanilla Mojo runs a 69 degree HA or a hair slacker than 68 with a Fox 36. And nothing is reinforced except those frames Lopes was given special.

The 6 Point has about a mile of welding and reinforcements on it, especially on the seat tube. It can handle a ton of punishment dished out by a grad student hopped up on 5 Hour Energy drink and Cocoa Pebbles-I've seen it. Vanilla Mojo really can't. I know, I tried it, I raced a brand new vanilla Mojo in a Trail Bike DH race and the rear swing arm cracked. Apparently the Mojo HD addresses the durability issue, slack HA issue, etc... Basically it's a carbon fiber 6 Point with a half an inch longer top tube and a bit more stand over.

Having said that, the old school Mojo is still in my top 3 bikes.

My old vanilla Mojo:

The race that did it in: CAT1/PRO mixed Trail Bike DH at Sundance, UT 2009. This was the last ride ever on this bike. I had it for a few months prior. Someday I'll buy another one. Great bike.

You and your Elves should really avoid putting out there tearing apart a Race Bike for trail-riding is a logical decision. E.L.F. #1 said the MOJO HD would fit better because 'longer top-tube' is on the bike. Yet he states he cannot climb for Moose Tit; likes to descend.
Just what a stretched TT is for; leg room for sprinting, jumping, and railing corners. So buy a new bike opposed to a longer Stem and wider H-Bar. Brilliant and pure.

Posts? You and this 'Liberation Movement' should forget watching SPIKE for Drug Busts. I'll use the Pen instead, say you then?

Uncle Jemima

· #16 · Jan 14, 2010

Guy.Ford said:
No offense meant, but the HD is very similiar in design and concept as the 6point, Firebird and Nomad, its a HD trailbike. Get it HD!!

Also WTH is a disciplined build?? I think you lost me and the rest of the bike industry on that one, please explain.

I addressed this bike in a reply to posts from Slackers contemplating their own Navels, and then racing to complement each-other on their 'Pubes', That Ibis is a Race-Build.

Look below the surface: Slim seat, XTR build, short cassette w/ utility derailuer. NOT a trailbike!

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mr. welcorn

· #17 · Jan 14, 2010

Uncle Jemima said:
I addressed this bike in a reply to posts from Slackers contemplating their own Navels, and then racing to complement each-other on their 'Pubes', That Ibis is a Race-Build.

Look below the surface: Slim seat, XTR build, short cassette w/ utility derailuer. NOT a trailbike!

Oh you're so clever.....so clever in fact that I (and probably everyone else here) can hardly understand wtf you are mumbling on and on about.

I will actually agree that the ibis picture you posted does look like a "race-ish build"....but who cares? In my opinion that bike is beautiful, has great geometry numbers, reasonable frame weight, and a great suspension design from a company that is still in business! You could just as easily build it up with dt swiss FR2350 wheels, DH rubber, full saint kit, and a woman's specific saddle if that is what floats your boat. The build kit of that bike isn't what I was talking about.....I don't understand what is getting lost in translation here?

Oh and just one question.....How tall are you again?

Uncle Jemima

· #18 · Jan 14, 2010

The point being there is already an Ibis for you to ride, opposed to ripping into a build. Stupid ideas such as this must be why the lot of you and your April 2009 period get onto the Internet...

mr. welcorn

· #19 · Jan 14, 2010

Uncle Jemima said:
The point being there is already an Ibis for you to ride, opposed to ripping into a build. Stupid ideas such as this must be why the lot of you and your April 2009 period get onto the Internet...

Alright I give up....the ibis you posted AFAIK is a prototype rig, and this build is not available from Ibis. Here is what IS available from Ibis for the Mojo HD.....looks pretty "trailbike-ish" to me:
http://www.ibiscycles.com/mountain/mojohd/parts_pick/

Even comes with a triple ring up front, long cage rear derailleur, and Man-size cassette.

As for the rest of your ramblings....How tall are you again?

slcrockymountainrider

· #20 · Jan 14, 2010

Unfortunately, the Eddy Orange Mojo pictured above is the wrong shade otherwise I'd agree that it was a 'race build.' That is actually the lighter shade of Eddy Orange that comprised .00000098ths Solar Yellow added to the paint mix and is thus a dedicated 'slim-shady seat, non-race build.' You can tell by how bright the light is shining above it. Had it been the standard 'race build' paint mix the checkered shirt in the background would appear striped.

Get your facts straight.

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