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I am in Charleston SC and looking to upgrade from a trek 4300 to either a Canyon Torque cf 9 or a YT Capra 29 CORE 4. wondering which would be better for the trails around here? I know both are in the same price point and similar components but I dont know anything about MTB and just want to get something good. I havent been to any trails just mostly road riding but want to get into some trails and possibly travel around NC, TN, GA for some other trails. Budget is about 6k so if you know any other bikes in my budget better than these I am all ears, thanks
 

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I am in Charleston SC and looking to upgrade from a trek 4300 to either a Canyon Torque cf 9 or a YT Capra 29 CORE 4. wondering which would be better for the trails around here? I know both are in the same price point and similar components but I dont know anything about MTB and just want to get something good. I havent been to any trails just mostly road riding but want to get into some trails and possibly travel around NC, TN, GA for some other trails. Budget is about 6k so if you know any other bikes in my budget better than these I am all ears, thanks
Not to be snarky, but if you needed a Capra or Torque, you wouldn't have to ask. You're not gonna get better value than an online brand as far as components, but at that price point, I'd personally want to get something from my LBS if that's an option. They sell Pivot and Santa Cruz, and I have a Revel dealer not too far away, so if I'm dropping $6k I'm looking at those brands. I think YT, Canyon, Commencal, etc do a PHENOMENAL job in that $3k-4k range, but personally I'd opt for the benefits a LBS is can offer, that no online brand could replicate.

What I mean by that, is if I have a problem or issue, I call Rob. He handles it, and if I'm out a bike for an extended period of time, Rob's got me covered. Quick question I need answered, or a rush delivery and install on a part or just an overall checkup, yup, I got Rob.

Not everyone has a Rob though, I get that. And if you're doing all your own wrenching, I admire you and wish I could too. But if you're like most of us, and are somewhat dependent on a LBS, at $6k that's what I'm doing.

Ripmo, Rail, Mach 6, Switchblade, Bronson or Nomad ... Those are the bikes I'd personally be looking at.

And there's really not a huge difference in drivetrain anyway. I've been replacing my X01 stuff as needed with GX. I honestly can't tell a single difference.

Good luck though. There's really no wrong answer, and if you're dropping $6k, get whatever the hell you want and enjoy it. Almost guaranteed to be a great bike at that price.
 

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Not to be snarky, but if you needed a Capra or Torque, you wouldn't have to ask. You're not gonna get better value than an online brand as far as components, but at that price point, I'd personally want to get something from my LBS if that's an option. They sell Pivot and Santa Cruz, and I have a Revel dealer not too far away, so if I'm dropping $6k I'm looking at those brands. I think YT, Canyon, Commencal, etc do a PHENOMENAL job in that $3k-4k range, but personally I'd opt for the benefits a LBS is can offer, that no online brand could replicate.

What I mean by that, is if I have a problem or issue, I call Rob. He handles it, and if I'm out a bike for an extended period of time, Rob's got me covered. Quick question I need answered, or a rush delivery and install on a part or just an overall checkup, yup, I got Rob.

Not everyone has a Rob though, I get that. And if you're doing all your own wrenching, I admire you and wish I could too. But if you're like most of us, and are somewhat dependent on a LBS, at $6k that's what I'm doing.

Ripmo, Rail, Mach 6, Switchblade, Bronson or Nomad ... Those are the bikes I'd personally be looking at.

And there's really not a huge difference in drivetrain anyway. I've been replacing my X01 stuff as needed with GX. I honestly can't tell a single difference.

Good luck though. There's really no wrong answer, and if you're dropping $6k, get whatever the hell you want and enjoy it. Almost guaranteed to be a great bike at that price.
No worries. I am completely new to the MTB scene I have never been in a LBS Ive only bought 2nd hand on FB or CL or walmart brand bikes so I am just looking to get something better. I will definitely check out my LBS and get some advice there too. I have only researched online a couple of weeks and those where what I came up with. The only brands I have ever bought are Trek and Diamondback so I need to broaden my knowledge on the sport/hobby a bit too. thanks for the reply
 

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YT makes some nice bikes but their current wait wait times are loooong current delivery on the Capra in April 22. Many people have complained about lots of delays after given delivery dates and their customer service is awful. If your frame arrives scratched or you have another problem be prepared to fight with them and wait months for a replacement( that is if they replace it). Canyon seems to have much better expected delivery dates and fewer delays, their customer service is much better to. While both make great bikes I would visit a few local stores and try any bikes they have in your size. If nothing else you can get an idea of how different brands size and few. Chat them up maybe they have something coming in soon or one of the shop Bros is selling their almost new bike.
 

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Trailforks is a resource for trails. In your area and beyond the trails listed are flat. The bikes you're looking at have a lot of travel. Enduro bikes. Better for big fast descents with lots of bumps and jumps. Actual mountains. Like NC for you. For your budget I'd look at a Spot Rocker. Link. FS bikes would be a Spec Epic Evo or for a lot less money from Costco an Intense 951 XC. $3249. Currently out of stock. But the trail version is on their site. Wait for the XC version to come back in stock.
 

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YT makes some nice bikes but their current wait wait times are loooong current delivery on the Capra in April 22. Many people have complained about lots of delays after given delivery dates and their customer service is awful. If your frame arrives scratched or you have another problem be prepared to fight with them and wait months for a replacement( that is if they replace it). Canyon seems to have much better expected delivery dates and fewer delays, their customer service is much better to. While both make great bikes I would visit a few local stores and try any bikes they have in your size. If nothing else you can get an idea of how different brands size and few. Chat them up maybe they have something coming in soon or one of the shop Bros is selling their almost new bike.
Yeah this is dead on ... I never had a YT, but just looking through Instagram comments and reading stuff online, I've heard similar stories about YT. There's no shop or face to point to if something goes wrong. I've heard at least in North America Canyon is much better, and I referred Commencal to my best friend (he got a Meta AM) and his experience has been amazing. Had an issue with his rear hub and called customer service. They told him to take a video of it making the noise, and within 30 minutes after sending, they called back with a resolution. Sent him the parts, told him to go to any shop of his choice for installation, he paid out of pocket but sent the receipt and they reimbursed him via PayPal that week. I've also called with general questions when I considered buying one, and I have nothing but great things to say about them. If I was getting a bike online, I wouldn't hesitate getting a Commencal. They're also great with accurate shipping times which at the moment is pretty important.

Anyway, back to the bikes ... Very exciting getting into it, however I'd caution anyone about being over-biked.

For instance, you mentioned the Capra and Torque. Two great bikes, but they're really mostly for bike parks and enduro. If you'd riding local trails, even expert level ones, visiting the bike park and hitting jumps, riding technical trails, unless you're launching 10 ft drops and really going hard, the Spectral and Jeffsy are plenty of bike for you.

Since you're just getting back into it, it's hard to predict what you're gonna be riding, but for a new rider, I'd stay somewhere near that 140mm front travel range. If you think you're gonna be a bit more aggressive, I can see doing 150-160mm, but it'll come at the cost of not going uphill as well.

If you're able to provide where you live and what you envision riding, as well as height and weight, we can see what kinda trails you'll most likely be riding, as well as which local bike shops are close (and more importantly, what they sell).

For instance, if you're in AZ, that's gonna be a lot different than if you're in the Pacific Northwest. Or if you're in Texas or Florida, that's different than what you'll ride in Vermont or PA.

In the meantime, check out the Meta from Commencal, and once we get that info, we'll be able to lead you down the right path.

Good luck!
 

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Addressing something you didn't ask.... why do you want to spend $6K on a MTB if you haven't been MTBing before and you're coming from a Trek 4300? Especally when it sounds like you're not sure what the trails are like and what bike/travel range you should get for your trails... basically it sounds like you're setting yourself up for an expensive mistake.

personally, i would check my local facebook groups and find a local MTB specific group. Ask them what the good bike shops in teh area are and who to speak to there, and go from there.
They'll know the trails and the bikes and get you set up with something that fits you and fits the terrain best.

On top of that, going from a $400 bike to a $6K bike is great... I've never ridden a $6K bike, but there is a ton of stuff in between that will be a huge step up from what you're riding if you want to figure out whether you like it or not with a cheaper price point.
 

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I'm happy with my 3 Subaru's, but I wouldn't buy a bike from any company based over seas. It adds an extra layer to warranty complexity I would not be interested in dealing with should the need arise.

I guess Canyon has a US office near San Diego.. so somewhat safer?
 

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Those two bikes are way more than you need.... Look into the Ibis Ripley,Giant Trance 29,or Transition Sentinal. These bikes are 120-130mm travel,they are great all around trail bikes. They climb and decend very well. The Torque and Capra are Enduro bikes with 160mm+ of travel and decend excellent,but don't climb as well as the 3 mentioned.
 

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My son has a XL 2020 Capra Pro alum in 27.5, he's put 200mi on and raced an Enduro with. It was delivered within a week (purchased in Aug this year). Only minor issue it's had, the suspension pivot hardware was bone dry and started creaking. Greased everything up and it was good to go. I would agree, maybe a bit too much bike starting out. I'd recommend a bike in the 130-150mm travel range until you figure out what type of riding you really are going to do.
 

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@CRM6,
The Sentinel is 160/150mm, but would still be my choice over the Ripley or Giant. All are exceptional including the 951 Trail as @TylerVernon mentioned. Their XC model is shorter travel, but I personally prefer the trails frame design a little more.

But Guys, what we have here are those who prefer shorter travel vs, those who prefer a bit more squish. I wouldn't trade my longer travel bike for something in the 120/130 range. All will be extremely capable, even climbing. Someone isn't "overbiked' just because they ride something with longer travel on less demanding terrain. Modern suspension has largely overcome lack of climbing efficiency on longer travel bikes. The extra weight is also negligible being 1-3 lbs at best.
 
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