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I've tried searching but can't find the numbers on the 4x bike, does anyone have the official geometry specs??
That was a pre-production race frame, and trying to get measurements from it wouldn't be very accurate. 1 degree of head angle would make a huge difference as to how the bike rides, Geometry basically defines how the bike will ride.dyst0pia said:Have either of you tried asking that guy who bought one of the 4x team frames off of ebay? I don't know whether the geometry will be the same from the team edition to the production edition, but I am sure he can give you a rough estimate to start your speculation from.
Thanks for this bit of sheer genius. I had no idea that geometry defined the feel of a bike.cave dweller said:Geometry basically defines how the bike will ride.
Almost as great as the bit of genius saying i should ask the guy who bought a proto to whip out the tape measure and protractor. Hey, im sure that will be real accuratedyst0pia said:Thanks for this bit of sheer genius. I had no idea that geometry defined the feel of a bike.
If you really are upset that DT cannot give you information regarding a frame that isn't even in production yet, then I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't exactly call that poor CS, I would call it not wanting to say anything until he is 100% sure he is satisfied with his product.
Yeh, maybe saying it is poor CS is going a bit far.dyst0pia said:If you really are upset that DT cannot give you information regarding a frame that isn't even in production yet, then I feel sorry for you. I wouldn't exactly call that poor CS, I would call it not wanting to say anything until he is 100% sure he is satisfied with his product.
I apologize, I did not know that DT had said this. But even still, you might want to pull that stick out of...oh, nevermind...it isn't worth it.cave dweller said:No one even knows what size that frame is, and turner said production models will have a 0.25" shorter top tube so any measurements from it are meaningless.
Better watch out, here comes the turner pose to hit me over the head with their big sticks for saying something not nice about turner Better reprieve myself, ummm...... Ellsworth sucks ass, can we all hug nowJerk_Chicken said:It's amazing to see what people ***** about when a company does everything right, with respect to their cs. Then they start nitpicking about minor things and making like it's the end of the fricking world.
I am fairly sure i would need to put a deposit down, or in the very least guarantee i will buy it.rpet said:Do you need to lay out cash to be on the waiting list?
If not, just get on the list, and then be ready to buy a Blur4X, PlanetX split, Enduro SX or whatever if the Turner geometry doesn't work for ya. These other 4x frames shouldn't be hard to pick up relatively quickly.
Yep, not fun, at least someone understands where im coming from.cactuscorn said:my take on all this is the frame, as ya say, is still 2 months out from production meaning its less than likely the geo is firmly in place, therefore makin a answer to yer question pretty impossible at the moment. not a fun situation to be in if yer a perspective buyer of a very limited production frame from a very popular builder making a very popular nitch design. whats the old saying? ya pays yer moneys and yas takes yer chances. yep, thats the one. good luck with it cave and be sure to tell the girls i said hi.
I don't know, maybe, depends on the sizing of the bike really.cactuscorn said:and heres that badly needed hug, pal. so, ya gonna get one anyway? or are ya gonna be one of those guys bummin his ass off when theyre all grabbed up?
Some valid points cactus, but im not missing the point at all. There are not set ways you have to use a bike, at the end of the day it still has two wheels and moves.cactuscorn said:dear mr dweller. it seems to me that you may be missin the point of this frame just a tad bit. now im no 4 cross racer nor do i pretend to be, however ive got more than a few bmx cruiser races and 20" races under my belt over the last 31 years and this experience shows me without a doubt that a very short top tube and a very short chain stay is the only way to go for this kinda rig. its all about acceleration, in flight stability, cornering on rails and the ability to manual like a fiend. this cannot be done on a trail bike like a spot, a xc bike like a flux or a fr bike like a pack. its a dedicated, nitch frame, not somethin you can tool around on with the better half. if thats yer plan then yer right, sit on those hands, let them all go away and do somethin else instead. larger or not its never gonna be a trail bike and its never gonna be comfy for anything other than flat out 4 cross racing and some lighter, smoother dirt jumping. hello?
Turner said the chainstays are 16" , not 16.25".cave dweller said:I don't know, maybe, depends on the sizing of the bike really.
I decided to import a picture of one of the honda 4x protos into autocad and "very roughly" get some numbers.
Seat angle....................73 deg
Effective top tube...........22.5"
Wheel base .................42.5"
BB hieght ................... 12"
Chain stay................... 16.25"
This makes it almost equivalant to a small flux, and DT said he was making it 0.25" shorter top tube, which is wwwwwaaaayyyy too small for me. My medium DHR is as small a bike as i feel comfotable riding, and the effective top tube on that is 24inch's and i run a 60mm stem.
I want to use the bike for 4x and for riding off road with my girl friend. What i really want is a six pack front triangle with 4 inchs of rear travel which isn't going to happen. Think i will sit on my hands for another couple of weeks and see if a larger size is in the pipe line.