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The intent here is to create a list of tires in a size ranking. Since I cannot ensure each tire is measured the same way or on the same rim, at same pressure, etc. my goal is strictly to quantify them in relative comparisons to one another. If we know A > B and B > C then we can list them as A, B, C as a ranking of large to small even if the A-B and B-C comparisons aren't the same. We need only ensure that any given comparison occur on same rim and at the same pressure for each tire in that comparison. I believe this is necessary both for overall tire diameter as well as tire width.

Here is what I have culled from various threads, and if there is an omission or an error just please post and I can update the list accordingly (I expect there WILL be errors, so please point them out and help make this a great reference).

Diameter, from largest to smallest:
  1. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35 (Pacestar: 698 g - 730 g)
  2. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35 (Trailstar: 790 g - 834 g, Pacestar: 813 g - 840 g)
  3. Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4 (735 g - 735 g)
  4. Maxxis Ardent 2.25 (690 g - 690 g)
  5. WTB Wolverine 2.2 (590 g - 590 g)
  6. Kenda Nevegal 2.35 (706 g - 706 g)
  7. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.1 (xxx g - xxx g)
  8. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 (740 g - 740 g)
  9. Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25 (501 g - 586 g)
  10. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25 (575 g - 580 g)
  11. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.25 (xxx g - xxx g)
  12. Kenda Nevegal 2.1 (xxx g - xxx g)
  13. IRD Fire XC Pro 2.1 (xxx g - xxx g)
  14. Vee Rubber Mission 2.1 (629 g - 634 g)
  15. Maxxis Crossmark 2.1 (Standard: 611 g - 629 g, Exception: 501 g - 532 g)
  16. Vee Rubber Vee 10 2.1 (xxx g - xxx g)
  17. Pacenti Quasi-Moto 2.0 (xxx g - xxx g)

Not ranked for diameter:
Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.25 (Pacestar: 463 g - 528 g)

Width, from widest to narrowest:
  1. Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4
  2. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35
  3. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
  4. Maxxis Ardent 2.25
  5. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3
  6. Kenda Nevegal 2.35
  7. WTB Wolverine 2.2
  8. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.25
  9. Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25
  10. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25
  11. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.1
  12. Kenda Nevegal 2.1
  13. IRD Fire XC Pro 2.1
  14. Vee Rubber Mission 2.1
  15. Maxxis Crossmark 2.1
  16. Vee Rubber Vee 10 2.1
  17. Pacenti Quasi-Moto 2.0

Not ranked for width:
Schwalbe Rocket Ron 2.25

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Interesting the Pac 2.1 is higher on list then the 2.3. Hhm. Looks like the Maxxis is the size I should be picking up for beter clearence on my conversion. Thanks for the list.
 

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Nice work! that's a good easy to compare list you got there.
 

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Interesting the Pac 2.1 is higher on list then the 2.3. Hhm. Looks like the Maxxis is the size I should be picking up for beter clearence on my conversion. Thanks for the list.
The Neo-Moto 2.1 and 2.3 supposedly share the same casing and differ only in the size of the tread pattern, so it could be just manufacturing tolerances that result in me measuring my 2.1 taller than my 2.3 and at least one other individual doing the same. But in my experience at least they are extremely close in overall diameter such that if you can clear one in that dimension then you should be able to use either. Depending on the feedback we get from others I may edit the original post to show some as ties either for diameter or width, as applicable.

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Hi Rager, great work, but could you add the actual size? Thanks.
I agree completely that the actual measured sizes would be of benefit, but unfortunately I do not believe it would be correct to include that at this time. Consider that if 'James' measures two tires, 'John' measures two, 'Jake' measures two, 'Joe' measures two, 'Jerry' measures two, 'Jen' measures two, and 'Jill' measures two we can legitimately collect all those comparisons and compile into a single listing (as I have attempted here, above). Likely they all used different measuring devices, different rims, different pressures, etc., they most likely will not all report the exact same specifications for a Neo-Moto 2.3 and Kenda Nevegal 2.35. However, all that compared those two tires are likely to agree which was taller and which was wider, even though their measurements are unlikely to agree exactly on either tire.

What may help us all, however, is if folks reply here with their actual measurements. In doing so please include the specific rim used as well as the pressure (and for consistency let's all try to measure at 30 PSI). As we collect data we may then be able to then list size ranges for the tires as part of the list.

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I like it!

I agree completely that the actual measured sizes would be of benefit, but unfortunately I do not believe it would be correct to include that at this time. Consider that if 'James' measures two tires, 'John' measures two, 'Jake' measures two, 'Joe' measures two, 'Jerry' measures two, 'Jen' measures two, and 'Jill' measures two we can legitimately collect all those comparisons and compile into a single listing (as I have attempted here, above). Likely they all used different measuring devices, different rims, different pressures, etc., they most likely will not all report the exact same specifications for a Neo-Moto 2.3 and Kenda Nevegal 2.35. However, all that compared those two tires are likely to agree which was taller and which was wider, even though their measurements are unlikely to agree exactly on either tire.

What may help us all, however, is if folks reply here with their actual measurements. In doing so please include the specific rim used as well as the pressure (and for consistency let's all try to measure at 30 PSI). As we collect data we may then be able to then list size ranges for the tires as part of the list.

Fred
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The intent here is to create a list of tires in a size ranking. Since I cannot ensure each tire is measured the same way or on the same rim, at same pressure, etc. my goal is strictly to quantify them in relative comparisons to one another. If we know A > B and B > C then we can list them as A, B, C as a ranking of large to small even if the A-B and B-C comparisons aren't the same. We need only ensure that any given comparison occur on same rim and at the same pressure for each tire in that comparison. I believe this is necessary both for overall tire diameter as well as tire width.

Here is what I have culled from various threads, and if there is an omission or an error just please post and I can update the list accordingly (I expect there WILL be errors, so please point them out and help make this a great reference).

Diameter, from largest to smallest:
  1. Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4
  2. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
  3. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35
  4. Maxxis Ardent 2.25
  5. Kenda Nevegal 2.35
  6. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.1
  7. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3
  8. WTB Wolverine 2.2
  9. Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25
  10. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25
  11. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.25
  12. Kenda Nevegal 2.1
  13. IRD Fire XC Pro 2.1
  14. Vee Rubber Mission 2.1
  15. Maxxis Crossmark 2.1
  16. Vee Rubber Vee 10 2.1
  17. Pacenti Quasi-Moto 2.0

Width, from widest to narrowest:
  1. Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4
  2. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35
  3. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
  4. Maxxis Ardent 2.25
  5. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3
  6. Kenda Nevegal 2.35
  7. Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.1
  8. WTB Wolverine 2.2
  9. Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.25
  10. Schwalbe Racing Ralph 2.25
  11. Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25
  12. Kenda Nevegal 2.1
  13. IRD Fire XC Pro 2.1
  14. Vee Rubber Mission 2.1
  15. Maxxis Crossmark 2.1
  16. Vee Rubber Vee 10 2.1
  17. Pacenti Quasi-Moto 2.0

Fred
The Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4 is the widest, but not the tallest, I'll still give the award to the NN 2.35.
 

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S those are out?

Don't forget to try the Ritchey Shields! 2.1", pretty true to size.
Great tires for XC racing...I wouldn't recommend them for aggressive trail, as the sidewalls are thin...but it's very light!
Cool. Have to check them out for summer time zipping!
 

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The Vee Rubber Trail Taker 2.4 is the widest, but not the tallest, I'll still give the award to the NN 2.35.
Gram,

Have you compared the two? Can you verify where the TT fits in diameter as compared to the Hans Dampf?

Fred

P.S. I've added tire weights to the list, showing the lowest and highest reported weights. If yours fall outside the range I have listed, just post her please.
 

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Gram,

Have you compared the two? Can you verify where the TT fits in diameter as compared to the Hans Dampf?

Fred

P.S. I've added tire weights to the list, showing the lowest and highest reported weights. If yours fall outside the range I have listed, just post her please.
I'll measure when I get a chance, Schwalbe has been slot to the punch in getting me a set of HD's...ugh.
 

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This makes sense and could prove quite useful. We could supplement this with measurements as they become more commonly understood.

Also useful could be a corresponding list of 26" tires so we see the overlap in sizes, allowing me to answer the question, "which 26" tires are as tall or taller than a 650b Neo 2.1"?
 

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If we are talking about actual real life tires measured and/or compared on an actual bicycle, the ranking above for the Neomoto 2.1 vs Racing Ralph 2.25 are reversed.

On my 2008 Brodie Mettle 26" fs xc mtb, a Neomoto 2.1 fits on the rear with ample clearance, but although the wheel actually fits on the bike seated fully in the dropouts with the 2.25 Racing Ralph, the tire contacts the frame and the tire won't turn. Either your width or diameter ranking for these tires is incorrect.
 

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If we are talking about actual real life tires measured and/or compared on an actual bicycle, the ranking above for the Neomoto 2.1 vs Racing Ralph 2.25 are reversed.

On my 2008 Brodie Mettle 26" fs xc mtb, a Neomoto 2.1 fits on the rear with ample clearance, but although the wheel actually fits on the bike seated fully in the dropouts with the 2.25 Racing Ralph, the tire contacts the frame and the tire won't turn. Either your width or diameter ranking for these tires is incorrect.
Thanks for this feedback - I have to assume the Racing Ralph is wider than the Neo-Moto 2.1 but want to confirm before I update either list. Was the rubbing you encountered on the sides or on the back of the seat post?

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Nice work on the list RagerXS. I was looking to try some other tires on my Rush conversion, but the 2.1 Nevs I'm running are about as big as I'd want to go on the rear.
 

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2.1 Nevagal 26 vs 2.1 Neomoto 650B.jpg

Pictured is the rear triangle of my 08 Brodie Mettle with the 650B x 2.1 Neomoto on the left and my 2.1 x 26" nevegal on the right. When I tried a 650B x 2.25 Racing Ralph, it contacted right where those welds are.

I realize the 2.1 Neomotoe is on backwards...was just rushed onto the rim for test fitting.

Thanks for this feedback - I have to assume the Racing Ralph is wider than the Neo-Moto 2.1 but want to confirm before I update either list. Was the rubbing you encountered on the sides or on the back of the seat post?

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Really good stuff Rager, thanks!
Everybody needs to remember to consider the age of the tire when making comparisons, in addition to rim width, pressure, etc.
I mounted a 2.3 Neo Moto that was a mm or two smaller than the 2.1 it was replacing, but that 2.1 had survived longer than any other (and I've trashed a box full of them) and was reaaaaally supple and well stretched, where-as the 2.3 was brand spanking new and still kind of stiff and small.
 
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