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funny thing is the french were racing dirt on fixed gears way back around the turn of the (19th - 20th) century... I think they called it the Tour de France! Gary Fisher invented his own image and thats about it.
 

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GO BEARS!

Ha- I had to post this. Everytime I go anywhere wearing anything with the CAL logo on it I have it said to me at least once- no kidding. I wouldn't be able to call myself a Golden Bear if I didn't follow tradition, right? :p
 

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True, true...

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funny thing is the french were racing dirt on fixed gears way back around the turn of the (19th - 20th) century...
Everything old is new again.

Take a look at patent design drawings from around the turn of that century as well. Every single suspension design we've been riding for the last 10 years had already been put down on paper back then.

As for Gary Fisher... Right place & right time.
 

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benja55 said:
Everything old is new again.

Take a look at patent design drawings from around the turn of that century as well. Every single suspension design we've been riding for the last 10 years had already been put down on paper back then.

As for Gary Fisher... Right place & right time.
Gary Fishers ego is predicated on semantics. He invented the "mountainbike" inasmuch as that was the name of his company. He didn't invent the klunker.

benja55 said:
Take a look at patent design drawings from around the turn of that century as well. Every single suspension design we've been riding for the last 10 years had already been put down on paper back then.
Wouldn't go that far... VPP, Horst Link, "sweet spot", etc...
 

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alisacherie said:
GO BEARS!

Ha- I had to post this. Everytime I go anywhere wearing anything with the CAL logo on it I have it said to me at least once- no kidding. I wouldn't be able to call myself a Golden Bear if I didn't follow tradition, right? :p
So you're from Chicago???

Sorry... pro football reference meant to annoy Cal-Berkeley alumnus
 

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imridingmybike said:
Gary Fishers ego is predicated on semantics. He invented the "mountainbike" inasmuch as that was the name of his company. He didn't invent the klunker.
Weeelll, by "right place, right time" I simply meant that he had the good sense to take an idea and run with it. IE: market the shite out of it. I'm not implying that he did or did not "invent" anything. I trust we've all read our MTB history books. ;)

imridingmybike said:
Wouldn't go that far... VPP, Horst Link, "sweet spot", etc...
You'd be surprized. No joke. I once dismissively said the same thing when sitting around with Mike Augspurger (as we were talking about the frame he was about to start for me! :p ) and he promptly whipped out a patent reference book, circa 1900 and began pointing out all the FS designs from back then, many of which we are still riding on in one form or another.

The primary differences were in the scale of the springs being used and the fact that they didn't have the luxury of picking from 1000x of different alloys in Al, Ti, Steel etc. To make a long story short, folks had come up with many of the mechanical concepts for today's FS bikes; they just had no way of building them into something ridable.

I'll see if I can dig up some of those old drawings or hit Mike with an email and see if he has any handy... Pretty cool stuff.
 
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