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I have one ride on it so far and loved it!

My understanding is that the Django falls squarely in the Trail category, while the Troy is All Mountain. I chose the Troy over the Django for the extra travel (with the option to run 160 forks up front) since there is plenty opportunity to negotiate more technical terrain here in Colorado, so the Troy fits the bill as being a better all-arounder for the type of riding I do here. If it weren't for that I think I would've opted for the Django in a 27.5... if that's what you're asking.What does the Django offer that the Troy doesn't? Seems like a lot of overlap?
This seems to be the type of geometry that gets the better reviews by the professional reviewers. Pinkbike, vital, etc... Good reviews lead to sales.Nice looking bike. Looking at the geo, this is really more of a short travel Enduro bike than a Trail bike. Not much of a difference between it and the Troy expect for little less travel and a little lighter.
Devinci should have went the other way with it, designed it around 120/130 fork and much shorter wheelbase. Trail bikes should be playful and easy to ride. This does not look like it would be either in tight twist trail type riding.
Yep. And it's perceived value and marketing. Hardly anyone knows what a Devinci is compared to the likes of Ibis. And when it comes to resale it's not even close. Put a different sticker on a lot of bikes, and sales skyrocket.This seems to be the type of geometry that gets the better reviews by the professional reviewers. Pinkbike, vital, etc... Good reviews lead to sales.
Ibis Ripley V4 has almost identical angles and Ibis can't keep up with demand.
Yeah, I was trying to be kind. I've owned about 6 or 8 DW Links and 1 or 2 Split Pivot. Split Pivot is very good on descents under braking, but it's climbing prowess in loose, rocky, steep and fast sections is below average. Plus the feedback through the pedals in high torque choppy descents is not that good. But most riders don't know or care about that. They buy based on impulse or emotion; I have about 15 years in sports and outdoor marketing and advertising so I dole out the BS as well as anyone, ha.There's also the DW link suspension difference. I actually prefer Devinci's split pivot to pretty much every 4-bar incarnation I've ridden, but fancy suspension seems to sell.
I'll look and see with the bikes I have. That would have made sense to keep manufacturing costs down!https://images.immediate.co.uk/prod...LTD-008-9979fee.jpg?quality=90&resize=375,250
Here is the photo that I was referring to
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Hmmm, I have a Django and a Pivot 429. I find the Devinci handles better in most circumstances. As far as efficiency with the rear suspension? The Pivot may be a bit snappier but I’d be splitting hairs. I haven’t ridden the Pivot since I got the Devinci, my son is on it now. The split pivot is probably more efficient than most designs. I’d say that calling it below average isn’t accurate at all.Yeah, I was trying to be kind. I've owned about 6 or 8 DW Links and 1 or 2 Split Pivot. Split Pivot is very good on descents under braking, but it's climbing prowess in loose, rocky, steep and fast sections is below average. Plus the feedback through the pedals in high torque choppy descents is not that good. But most riders don't know or care about that. They buy based on impulse or emotion; I have about 15 years in sports and outdoor marketing and advertising so I dole out the BS as well as anyone, ha.
It's just my opinion based on owning the django carbon for two years, and being an extremely strong climber. It's also just my opinion based on anecdotal evidence of friends witnessing me flail about or ride slower in many trail conditions for those two years that I normally cleaned or sped through with less effort. Since parting ways with the split pivot, my Strava times, KOMs, and the aforementioned anecdotal input have returned to "normal."Hmmm, I have a Django and a Pivot 429. I find the Devinci handles better in most circumstances. As far as efficiency with the rear suspension? The Pivot may be a bit snappier but I’d be splitting hairs. I haven’t ridden the Pivot, my son is on it now. The split pivot is probably more efficient than most designs. I’d say that calling it below average isn’t accurate at all.