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2017 Fox 36 Axle and Air Spring

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Just bought a bike with a 2017 Factory 36 FIT4. I have a couple of questions.

Can I just swap out the QR for a thru axle (This is not the pinch bolt version)? I know some forks like my Ribbon Coil require some additional part swaps to be legit.

I can't ride it for a couple months, but I am wondering if it needs something like the Luftkappe for the air spring? Or just ride it as is. Trying not to put too much money in this bike.

Funny if you go back and look at industry reviews from when it came out it was supposed to be awesome, but then rider reviews say the negative spring is horrible and everyone is trying to EVOL it with aftermarket.

Thanks
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You can swap out the stock axle for something like the Wolftooth, just have to match boost/non-boost width, no extra hardware needed.

I don't think you can put an EVOL air spring in a 2017 36.

I could be wrong about that but the part numbers for the 2017 vs the 2018 onward are different and the 2018 onward (EVOL) list the air spring as NA2 where the 2017 does not carry this designation.

That would leave riding it as is, Luftkappe (DSD Runt maybe?), or Secus if you wanted to go that route or conversion to coil via Push ACS-3 or Smashpot.

In terms of cost from $ to $$$ - EVOL (if possible, doesn't look like it is), Luftkappe/DSD Runt, Secus, Smashpot, ACS-3

It can be tricky to sort out what is true because when something comes out it is presented as the greatest thing ever and afterward you see updates, changes, and complaints.

If you were cynical, always a good thing, you could argue that some of that is psychological to cultivate and drive a need/want for upgrades and the actual improvements are more subtle in many cases although at times there are actual fixes for issues or adjustments.

Then you have people who go gaga over stuff or who hate something but it is hard to work out if they are reliable as a source of information...I mean, what do they compare against, did they have a sucky setup, are they just a fan boy/girl, did they get a lemon maybe, all that jazz.
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Yeah, the EVOL isn’t possible as they changed how the whole air spring works and the upper or lowers are dimpled.

Good to hear that I can just swap an axle in. It is what I figured, but wanted to double check.

I guess I will ride it stock and then see how I feel about throwing down money.
Yeah, the EVOL isn’t possible as they changed how the whole air spring works and the upper or lowers are dimpled.

Good to hear that I can just swap an axle in. It is what I figured, but wanted to double check.

I guess I will ride it stock and then see how I feel about throwing down money.
You can't run EVOL or Secus.

Converting to "dual air" with adjustable neg pressure is better value than [email protected]$155:

FulFill™ Spring Conversion for Fox 36 – Mountain Racing Products (mrpbike.com)

At what travel are you planning on? If less than 160mm, there are ways to increase neg volume with stock NA airspring for free.
I am running 150mm. Doesn’t the fulfill only allow you to control the negative pressure? It doesn’t actually make a larger negative spring does it?
I am running 150mm. Doesn’t the fulfill only allow you to control the negative pressure? It doesn’t actually make a larger negative spring does it?
If you remove all travel spacers, i.e. set to max 160, with Fulfill, you can increase the neg pressure to suck down from 160mm to 150mm hence increasing the neg volume. This is tricky since you'll have to balance the pos/neg pressures to maintain 150mm and correct sag. This is how I run my fork. Don't really care about total travel. I like the initial feel better with fork sucked down by higher pressure in neg chamber than pos chamber. Top out is softer as well as increased sensitivity of the fork.

Here's free and easier way to gain neg volume with stock NA spring. You can increase the neg chamber by removing all travel spacers from bottom plate but set the transfer rod's travel setting to 150mm. You gain 10mm of neg volume doing so. The space taken up by travel spacer plate becomes free space for neg chamber. You can do the same at any travel setting with the transfer rod with no spacer, but the ratio between pos/neg changes at lower travel settings, so there is a limit how far you can go before too much neg volume affects fork performance. At 130mm to 150mm, this method works well. I like Fulfill setup better however since I can control neg vs pos pressure. Not as easy to setup but I think dual air works better than single air setup. Just my opinion of course. YMMV
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Awesome!! Thank you for the tip.

When doing this with fulfill does that cause you to go beyond the 10% or 10psi max difference in the negative chamber or are you still within MRP specs?
Awesome!! Thank you for the tip.

When doing this with fulfill does that cause you to go beyond the 10% or 10psi max difference in the negative chamber or are you still within MRP specs?
More like 20%. [email protected] and [email protected]

This setup mimics Rockshox's B1 airspring where the transfer port is above the air piston at top of the travel. This caused the fork to suck down a little and people were complaining about lost travel. But this is where the suppleness at the top of Rockshox forks liked compared to Fox. New C series airsprings equalize at top out so it now matches what other air forks do. Some prefer the B while others like the new C. YMMV

Just try removing the lower travel spacer. It's free mod and see how the fork feels. Try 160/150/140mm to feel the difference with different pos/neg volume ratio.

Since this is an older fork, do complete service to rule out any maintenance issue that may effect the performance.
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