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At Competitive Cyclist right now. It's the lowest I've seen. I'm awaiting the 2011's to come down to the magic $500 mark. Another year...
 

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I have heard multiple people having problems with the rear hub on the Havens. Are you waiting for 2011 model bc its been improved?
 

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mikerod87 said:
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I have heard multiple people having problems with the rear hub on the Havens. Are you waiting for 2011 model bc its been improved?
I'm waiting for the 2011's to drop in price b/c they have the 20mm hub option. My understanding is that the rear hub issues people have with the 2010's are due to not maintaining the hub preload adjustment. I know on the early Havoc's (I have a set), the rear hub bolts can loosen causing bearing play. I just replaced the bearings after 3-4 years of use, I kept up on the rear hub bolts, but every now and then I'd realize they'd loosened and I'd forgotten to check them.
Point being, the rear hub bearings hold up fairly well. Even with minimal attention to the preload problem. I think the 2010 problem is just people that don't bother checking them every now and then. I did not know they had changed the rear hub design yet again for 2011 though. Also, when the bearings do go out due to poor preload it's only one or two that need to be replaced (about $20?).
The rest of my bearings are all fine, again after 3-4 years.
I'm certain you can get the 2010's with confidence that you'll be happy with them, I also really doubt the price will drop beyond that ever.
 

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Thanks for your comments. I know I have seen them at this price at Mikebikes but couldn't pull the trigger. I am stuck between Hope Pro2's on ZTR Flows or the Havens.

The Havens have more bling but the hope's are better hubs. I think the Havens are 3 pawls.
 

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mikerod87 said:
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Thanks for your comments. I know I have seen them at this price at Mikebikes but couldn't pull the trigger. I am stuck between Hope Pro2's on ZTR Flows or the Havens.

The Havens have more bling but the hope's are better hubs. I think the Havens are 3 pawls.
Definitely a difference between those to options. If you're riding aggressive trail and you're of reasonable weight (under say 180lbs?). Then go with the Havens, they're much lighter and can run 2.4 wide tires no problem. If you're a real hard rider and you're beyond say 160lbs then go with the Flows. All very speculative and subjective I know, it's just my 2 cents.
Both are great builds. The perk with the Flows is that parts are so readily available. But after beating the heck out of my Easton Havocs they still are damn near perfectly true, and of course the bearings aren't proprietary. I'm fairly certain the Easton spokes are DT also readily available. So the only thing to worry about is if you manage to taco a Haven rim, could be a PITA going through Easton.
Missed the part about engagement, the Hopes are 4 pawl 24pt engagement. I don't know what the Havens are, someone claimed they were 36 point.
Just checked my old Havocs, they're 30pt engagement, so I really doubt the Havens are less. Whether they're 30 or 36pt that's better than 24.
 

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One more thing, another option is the Stan's Arch. They're narrower than the Havens but probably between the Havens and Flows in terms of strength due to the spoke count of the Havens. Probably not what you're looking for, but that's what Rich at NoTubes recommended for me when I told him I was 155lbs, aggressive trail/rock gardens, under 4 foot drops, 5.5 inch FS trail bike.
 

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Man turner 5 spot on a Revelation and Havens. That must be a bad A#@ ride.

Pictures?

Do you have the black box or MC? RLT Ti...?
 

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Man turner 5 spot on a Revelation and Havens. That must be a bad A#@ ride.

Pictures?

Do you have the black box or MC? RLT Ti...?
As of now it's a 5 Spot with Havocs and a 140mm MC Rev, bit of a miss-match of parts. I'd like to get a 160mm Lyrik Coil. The Rev though has been great for most my riding, it's very adjustable, very responsive, uses all it's travel, tracks pretty well, no real complaints except that I wonder how the 5 Spot would be with that Lyrik.
 

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Haven's are redesigned for 2011 trying to fix the rear hub issue that involves the continual play that develops. I read that they made the retainer a left handed thread for 2011 instead of right handed that is found on the 2010. Somebody else can chime in on this, but there is a change on the rear hub for 2011.
 

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As far as I know the fix on the rear hub was a running change, this is one reason why the wheels are on closeout. The corrected wheels were delayed and became available after the 2011 were available. The 2010 have both wheels in the same box with a 9mm and 15mm front axle. The new 2011 come in separate boxes with the rear wheel available in 10 and 12mm rear axle and the front in 9mm, 15mm or 20mm. As Bell sports usually runs product for three years it is unusual they are on sale. I would not expect 2011 to be $500 a year from now. Although there are enough grey market sellers on E-bay it may happen.
The 2010 present an excellent value and are a deal to jump on. If Ed McMann comes to your door with a check for a million dollars are you going to send him away and see if Regis comes tomorrow with a check for 1.1 million? Take the deal now, unless you have to have the 20mm
 

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Is it worth going with the 2010 model?

Looks like many rear hub issues...
When I called Easton they sent out a free replacement rear axle to update it, no questions asked. Just told them I had the old model. So I'd say definitely worth it.
 

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Havens are stronger and more durable than Flows.
Arches are a weenie XC rim softer than play dough and shouldnt even be in the conversation.
 
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