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Has anyone seen any pictures, specifications, etc for the 2007 ETSX? Seems I'll be getting an 07 ETSX-70 in a month as a warranty replacement and I'm just curious what I have to look forward to. I'm wondering if we might see a carbon rear like the Element 70?

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kwarwick said:
Has anyone seen any pictures, specifications, etc for the 2007 ETSX? Seems I'll be getting an 07 ETSX-70 in a month as a warranty replacement and I'm just curious what I have to look forward to. I'm wondering if we might see a carbon rear like the Element 70?

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Good luck for your warranty replacement. :) For some reason, I don't fancy a carbon swingarm on the ets-x, would rather prefer the current aluminium one since I always got the impression that there's quite a huge amount of stress on the pivots (especially the one located in the lower part of the seat-tube) and the swingarm.

BTW will be posting pics of my 06 Team shortly.
 

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I always got the impression that there's quite a huge amount of stress on the pivots (especially the one located in the lower part of the seat-tube) and the swingarm.
Agreed about the stresses, since it is the lower pivot mount that cracked on mine. This will be two frames (2003 and 2005) that have developed cracks around the pivot area within a relatively short amount of riding miles. I can't believe that Rocky seems to be having so much trouble with the ETSX design... 2 warranty frames and counting... for someone who doesn't huck or do any drops to speak of. Hopefully 3rd time will be a charm!

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Agreed about the stresses, since it is the lower pivot mount that cracked on mine. This will be two frames (2003 and 2005) that have developed cracks around the pivot area within a relatively short amount of riding miles. I can't believe that Rocky seems to be having so much trouble with the ETSX design... 2 warranty frames and counting... for someone who doesn't huck or do any drops to speak of. Hopefully 3rd time will be a charm!

Karl
I think it's completely true that the ETSX is an excellent frame but I think it's a matter of effeciency vs. durability as regards to this frame. One of the best precautions to be taken (in my personal opinion) is by using the longest seatpost available cuz that would sort of reinforce the frame from the inside in the area between the pivots (obviously). Will be getting a 410mm 27.2mm Thomson for my frame.

Agreed about hucking & drops, I think it's really not meant for these.

That said, I still think it's an awesome bike, excellent reviews, excellent craftmanship.... can't wait to get mine rollin. :D
 

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One of the best precautions to be taken (in my personal opinion) is by using the longest seatpost available cuz that would sort of reinforce the frame from the inside in the area between the pivots (obviously). Will be getting a 410mm 27.2mm Thomson for my frame.
With the pre-2005 frames most of the failures seem to have been the seat tube cracking and in the worst case snapping completely between the upper and lower pivot mounts. My 2003 frame started to crack on the seat tube where the pivots were welded to the seat tube. I imagine if I hadn't noticed it the eventual outcome would of been a snapped seat tube. Most people seem to agree the problem is the suspension forces are essentially acting to pull the seat tube apart in a vertical direction. I honestly can't see how a longer seat post would be of any value in counteracting that force since the seat post is only clamped at the top. For 2005 Rocky redesigned the pivot mounts to join together the upper to the lower so that the seat tube was no longer carrying this stress by itself... but I think they made the points where the pivots weld to the seat post a little too thin so, at least in my case, this became the weak point and lead to a crack. For 2006 Rocky changed the shock length, moving to a lower activation ratio, which I assume was done at least partially to further reduce the stresses in this area. For 2007 I'm not sure what changes have been made, other than I've been told they made the frames stronger and in particular improved the pivot mounts.

Regarding the seat post, I run a 330mm set back Thomson seat post and I wouldn't use anything else. Everything I've read says that you should select a length such that the end of the post is always inserted in the frame past the bottom of the seat tube to top tube junction. If you go too short you run the risk of snapping the top of the seat tube off.

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2004 etsx frame cracked!

hey kwarwick - i have just taken my '04 etsx-70 back to the dealer and have also been told to wait until mid August for an '07 replacement. whattime frame did they give you? did you retun your old frame when you had this done the first time? the dealer told me rocky doesn't even want the frame - i think they are fed up with them.
 

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I was told early August for my replacement 2007 ETSX-70 frame... hopefully that time target hasn't slipped since I talked to them a month ago. Both times they were fine about sending the replacement frame first and allowing me I ship back the old frame after swapping all the parts over.

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Karl, hi.

I'm an international distributor, and I just got pictures of the 2007 ETSX, but I can't share them yet. As soon as I get the O.K from RM, I will post them right here.
But let me tell you, it looks very cool!!! Rear carbon swing arm, and some minor changes where the shock is anchored to the frame.
I read a review from a guy that rode a 2007 frame and he says its awesome.
 

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Karl, hi.

I'm an international distributor, and I just got pictures of the 2007 ETSX, but I can't share them yet. As soon as I get the O.K from RM, I will post them right here.
But let me tell you, it looks very cool!!! Rear carbon swing arm, and some minor changes where the shock is anchored to the frame.
I read a review from a guy that rode a 2007 frame and he says its awesome.
Carbon swing arm would be very cool... I'm expecting that would be the ETSX-90 or ETSX-Team since in previous years carbon rears were limited to top of the line models.

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kwarwick said:
Carbon swing arm would be very cool... I'm expecting that would be the ETSX-90 or ETSX-Team since in previous years carbon rears were limited to top of the line models.

Karl,

I have no official gen - but that 'aint what I heard.' I reckon it might be a carbon rear on all ETSX' next year. After all, they've done that on all Elements this year.

Not overly sure that's it's that big a deal though - carbon can have issues - can be tricky to get teh stiffness / strength / weight balance correct. Losing a bit of weight at the rear of the ETSX would be good, as it'll centre the balance a bit from the current rear bias - but they don;t want to lose any stiffness. I now have an )^ one to replace my 03, and it's noticable how much more lateral striffness ther is.

If the carbon has the needed stiffness and impact resistant strength - will it realy be that much lighter?
Now if they could do some carbon links too, may tip the balance........

Just my tuppence worth. Lovin my 06 frame.
 

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Another 3 weeks

I emailed Rocky today to see how things were progressing with the replacement 2007 ETSX frameset and was told I could have a 2006 ETSX-70 shipped out today or wait about 3 weeks for a 2007. Even though I've been unable to find out what the changes are for 2007 I decided they probably made enough improvements that it was worth the wait... I'm assuming if nothing else 2007 frames will come with a Fox RP23 rather than a RP3 rear shock.

3 more weeks... *tap* *tap* *tap*
 

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kwarwick said:
Agreed about the stresses, since it is the lower pivot mount that cracked on mine. This will be two frames (2003 and 2005) that have developed cracks around the pivot area within a relatively short amount of riding miles. I can't believe that Rocky seems to be having so much trouble with the ETSX design... 2 warranty frames and counting... for someone who doesn't huck or do any drops to speak of. Hopefully 3rd time will be a charm!

Karl
How does the warranty work? Did you need to have a reciept? I'm asking because if I buy a used '04 ETSX and it breaks, am I covered? Also, how long is the warranty? Lifetime?
 

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Thanks for the info, apparently, if you aren't the Original Purchaser with a receipt, you have no warranty case what-so-ever, so beware of buying used.
 

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Thanks for the info, apparently, if you aren't the Original Purchaser with a receipt, you have no warranty case what-so-ever, so beware of buying used.
I would not buy an 04 second hand. I really appreciate the peace of mind that a warranty gives.
 

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I have an '05, with the warranty, but I bought it too small, because I wanted more stand-over height. I needed a larger frame, so I bought the '04 frame to switch the components out, before researching it thoroughly. I guess I made a bad choice, and all I can do is ride it until it snaps.

Now I have an '05 16.5 inch ETSX-30 that's too small and an '04 18" ETSX-50 that's gonna break. I just can't get it right.

Anybody have an older ETSX that they're not scared of breaking? Should I just not worry about it?
 

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I have an '05, with the warranty, but I bought it too small, because I wanted more stand-over height. I needed a larger frame, so I bought the '04 frame to switch the components out, before researching it thoroughly. I guess I made a bad choice, and all I can do is ride it until it snaps.
Don't feel too bad, I learned that lesson the hard way a few years ago. I bought a used RM Instinct and it started to crack at the head tube to top tube junction. Rocky wouldn't do a thing for me since I was the 2nd owner. I seriously considered not buying another Rocky after that, but I loved the ride qualities so much and when I saw the 2003 ETSX I just couldn't resist. Of course I bought it from an authorized dealer... and thank god I did... 2 frames later... now waiting for my 3rd.

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kwarwick, what are you doing to break all these frames? Are you jumping/hucking? Or are you just riding along delicately? I am just wondering how hard you are riding them, being that' you've broken so many.
 
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