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142 to superboost Heel Rub?

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ttchad

Discussion Starter · Dec 29, 2021

I'm considering picking up a Fugitive this spring. Do any of you have issues with heel rub? with Flats I do from my duck stance on a normal 142 rear. Clipless not so much. Just wondering if the additional 1.5cm will be an issue or not. The other option is Banshee but the welds are just not as nice.

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Blatant

· #2 · Dec 29, 2021

No issues for me, but I ride clipped. If you already have rub on a 142 bike, well, it certainly could be an issue.

More interested in your Banshee comment. I owned a Fugitive and have had multiple Banshees, including the current Prime which is a direct comparison.

I didn’t notice any quality or welding differences; both are really high-quality aluminum frames. Anecdotally, I did have a ton of cable rattle on the Knolly, which I’ve never had on any modern Banshee. Ride quality and suspension performance are mildly different, but both perform astonishingly well.

Big thing for me as an XL rider is stack height. I do understand the decision for the tiny head tube, but I just don’t want a huge spacer stack and 50mm riser bars to get my hands where I need them.

ttchad

Discussion Starter · #3 · Dec 29, 2021

Blatant said:
No issues for me, but I ride clipped. If you already have rub on a 142 bike, well, it certainly could be an issue.

More interested in your Banshee comment. I owned a Fugitive and have had multiple Banshees, including the current Prime which is a direct comparison.

I didn’t notice any quality or welding differences; both are really high-quality aluminum frames. Anecdotally, I did have a ton of cable rattle on the Knolly, which I’ve never had on any modern Banshee. Ride quality and suspension performance are mildly different, but both perform astonishingly well.

Big thing for me as an XL rider is stack height. I do understand the decision for the tiny head tube, but I just don’t want a huge spacer stack and 50mm riser bars to get my hands where I need them.

I appreciate your opinion on both. The super low bar height is about the only thing wrong with my delirium. I thought about a used prime now that a few are showing up on pinkbike. I had seen several threads regarding reaming of the seat tube and from pics online the welds did not appear as nice. Doubt my skinny ass could damage either though.

ttchad

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 29, 2021

ttchad said:
I appreciate your opinion on both. The super low bar height is about the only thing wrong with my delirium. I thought about a used prime now that a few are showing up on pinkbike. I had seen several threads regarding reaming of the seat tube and from pics online the welds did not appear as nice. Doubt my skinny ass could damage either though.

How long of a dropper could you run on the prime?

Blatant

· #5 · Dec 29, 2021

I’m running a 185 Bike Yoke.

WhatsUpcountry

· #6 · Dec 29, 2021 (Edited)

I don't have a superboost bike but if the bike doesn't already have them, shimano has cranks with wider Q factor and chainline for superboost spacing - the 7/8/9130 series have a 181mm Q factor compared to the 172mm 7/8/9100 cranks so the heel clearance should be as good (or bad) as a regular boost hub.

Edit: there will be 3mm less space on each side compared to a non-boost hub, but realistically if we're talking about 3mm then it's gonna be more a question of the shape of the chainstays - which may actually favor the superboost setup since the tire isn't any wider and for a given tire clearance & chianstay thickness the chainstay can be further away from your foot by up to 7.5mm when compared to a 142 hub. realistically these numbers are small and whether your heels rub will depend on the chainstay shape and your foot placemenr habits

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Skooks

· #7 · Dec 29, 2021

I'm a duck-footed flat pedal rider as well. I get some heel rub on my Fugitive LT, but less than I did on my 142 spacing Warden. For me it's a non issue.

jab253

· #8 · Dec 30, 2021

Same here...3 years on a Fugitive LT, and for sure there is evidence on the rear dropouts...that said, I got the same markings on 142 spacing bikes I rode before this one. For me, I don't experience my feet hitting the frame when I ride...it's just not something I am conscious of even though it is obviously happening.

When I first noticed some wear marks on this bike I made it a point tune in to where my heels were when I was pedaling, and there was no contact at all during the pedaling motion. This lead me to conclude that most of the wear must come from me tucking, twisting, and grabbing with my feet while they're on the pedals trying to get the bike to do whatever it might be...not really rear end spacing determined so much as riding style determined in some cases.

sslos

· #9 · Dec 30, 2021

I haven’t had heel rub as much as brushing my calves against the linkage. The way that Knolly designed the shape of the seatstays, it probably won’t be a big issue.

catch22

· #10 · Dec 30, 2021

Size 13s on flats here and went from the 142 Endorphin to the 157 Warden this year. Haven't had any issue with heel rub at all.

KRob

· #11 · Dec 30, 2021

I went from 142 spacing on my Endorphin to 157 FugitiveLT and have not had any heel rub at all. Same with my v2 Evil Offering.

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ttchad

Discussion Starter · #12 · Dec 30, 2021

Awesome and thanks for the info. Being in Italy I do not have demo options and did not want to drop a ton of coin and not be happy.

Happy New Years and hopefully next year things will turn around. Either way I'll see you on the trail riding or maint!

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David R

· #13 · Jan 1, 2022

I ride clipped in, my Endo with 142mm rear had a well polished patch on the left chainstay from my foot, but from riding with my left foot back and not from pedalling (right chainstay had nothing like it). Switched to the 157mm rear Fugitive and don't notice any difference there, but I do get a bit or calf rub on the rocker and/or the top of the seat stay. In fact I even had a slight bruise/tender spot on the inside of my right calf for a little while when I first started riding it, but I seem to have gotten used to it as its gone away and I no longer notice any rub. I only run the bike in slack setting, the rub was worse in steep. Interestingly I didn't ride the Fug for about 2-3 months over winter and when I first got back on it I got the same bruise on the inside of my right calf, but after a couple of rides I must have adapted to it again as it went away again.

Given the enormous rear tyre clearance on the back I'd gladly trade a few mm of tyre clearance for a slightly narrower rocker/push link assembly, its not a biggie though an my only real beef with the bike!

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Yuki San

· #14 · Jan 2, 2022

I can't speak for the Fugitive, but I switched from a Banshee Rune V3 to a Warden V2 and I don't get heel rub anymore. I purchased Sram Superboost cranks as well instead of doing the zero offset chainring trick. I don't get crank arm rub nearly as much either. I get pretty heavy heel rub normally; I rubbed the hard anno off the chainstays on my Banshee in less than six months.

M4rc0

· #15 · Jan 4, 2022

ttchad said:
Awesome and thanks for the info. Being in Italy I do not have demo options and did not want to drop a ton of coin and not be happy.

Happy New Years and hopefully next year things will turn around. Either way I'll see you on the trail riding or maint!

I have a Fugitive and a Warden (both medium) and I'm in Italy (Bergamo area), you are welcome to come and swing a leg over them if you want.

BTW, no noticeable heel rub for me either.

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