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this started 3 rides ago and hasn't gotten worse. questions i have are-
push or just replace seal myself? will be a first time but i like a challenge!
fox or enduro seals?
will i damage the fork if i ride while waiting on seals?
thanks
pic is after typical 12 mile ride
 

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If you keep riding it that way it will likely damage your fork; the Fox stanchions don't seem to stand up to abuse all that well. I had that same sort of look as yours not too long ago on a Vanilla (32R) and even though I only rode/procrastinated a few times with the spooge that bad (like yours), when I took it apart and could really examine the stanchions there was some accelerated wear on the stanchion near the seal in the spot the spooge was the worst (it was hard to see without taking them completely out). Not bad enough to require replacement, but noticeable.

I did let a Van36 go too long a few years ago and did need to replace the uppers on that one (which was embarassing as I had volunteered my fork for a Fox service training session, and didn't notice how badly scored the stanchions had gotten until we took the fork apart). Think there's a few threads on the subject of the "soft" Fox stanchions if you look around.

I had left the seals alone (aside from cleaning and relubing) during the oil change I had done several months before on the 32; when changing fluids this time it was pretty obvious the oil was much more contaminated. I put a set of Fox seals on that I had waiting, and now after a relatively small amount of use it's obvious the Fox seals just aren't cutting it, starting to see the symptoms again. It could be the small amount of wear on the stanchions is just enough, seems to be the same spot I'm getting the spooge.

I've got some Enduro seals now and am about to change them out now...which is one reason the thread caught my eye. We'll see how they do...
 

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A periodica fluid changes to remove contaminants is important, but Fox does seem to suffer from loose bushing that leads to premature stanchion wear. So, as far as I'm concerned, if it happens once, it will come back even with the new uppers unless you change the bushings. I had grooves on spring side of my 05 even with once a quarter fluid changes. Enduro from the get-go should help keeping contaminants out, but if the bushing has too much tolerance between the bushings and stanchions to begin with, then it will not prevent the wear on stanchions. And you can't tell if this would happen to your fork or not until it happens... Bummer.
 

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Enduro seals.

They'll keep the oil in and the dirt out. This is very important for Fox longevity, since their stanchions aren't the most durable things, and the dirty oil basically becomes liquid sandpaper. I bought a brand new F100 FIT RLC this year, and before it was even mounted on a bike, I installed Enduro seals.

Even if the fork has slightly loose bushings, which a lot of brand new Fox forks do, if you keep the oil levels full and the oil clean, it'll be fine.
 

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Sorry to hijack the treat, but I have a question about Enduro Seals.

I install them on a 36 Van and after 700Km of All Mountain riding and a couple of jumps, I can’t get rid of dammed stiction, don’t get me wrong I love the fact that the seals actually seal, but the reason I bought the Van was because the buttery felling of the coil and with the Enduros that feeling is gone.

My question is, should I give them more time to break in or just throw them away and install OE seals.

I don’t mind do the service more regularly than with the Enduros, or the OE seals are crap and would do damage between services.
Thanks in Advance.
 

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Are you feeling the stiction on the trail?

Enduro recently came out with a revised seal which goes a long way to eliminating the stiction which has been inherent in their seals. I tried the back to back with their older design, and the improvement is very noticable.
 

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Yes, and it feels awful it seems like the fork has Propedal.

What would you say? The feel of the new Enduros is closer to the OEM or to the old Enduros.
 

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The new ones are much close to OEM.

I also suspect there might be something else going on with you fork as well if you're getting that much stiction.
 

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moi_2212 said:
Sorry to hijack the treat, but I have a question about Enduro Seals.

I install them on a 36 Van and after 700Km of All Mountain riding and a couple of jumps, I can't get rid of dammed stiction, don't get me wrong I love the fact that the seals actually seal, but the reason I bought the Van was because the buttery felling of the coil and with the Enduros that feeling is gone.

My question is, should I give them more time to break in or just throw them away and install OE seals.

I don't mind do the service more regularly than with the Enduros, or the OE seals are crap and would do damage between services.
Thanks in Advance.
Take the lowers off and see if you have worn through the teflon coating. If so, bummer. I used the older enduro seals and they did create some stiction (and according to FOX will wear down the teflon coating). Have not tried the "new enduro's". After having 2 VANS (05' and 09') the key to these forks is keeping the seal area clean and topped off with oil. I simply unswrew the top caps. compress the fork and make sure there is some "sloshing" sound of oil. I add oil through the top cap when needed. The manual has you take everything apart and add oil in the bottom (time consuming). I see no need for this as you can see from top to bottom inside the fork stancion. This is only for lubrication oil (not the closed damping catridge). Better too much oil than none. If seen VAN's run with so little oil, the stancions are bare gouged aluminum just below the seals.
 

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Yesterday I swap the seals for a set of new OEM that I have, and today’s morning I rode it in the local trails and definitely the enduros were the problem, because the stiction magically disappeared.

LAKESNAKE

The fork has only 1200 Km and I changed the lubrication oil three times since I bought it. And all in there it's like new.

If I pour more oil in the lowers than it should be, the seals are going to pop out . Wright?
 

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thanks for all the input, going to replace them with enduros kit. any advice on fork oil or good youtube site for service vids
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larrylund said:
thanks for all the input, going to replace them with enduros kit. any advice on fork oil or good youtube site for service vids
thanks
Go to foxracingshox.com, look in the tech center, they have their own service info (not sure if their goofy flash website will let this link get you to the starting point, navigating there isn't straightforward http://service.foxracingshox.com/consumers/index.htm ). Try this to start if you want to substitute for the Fox fluids http://pvdwiki.com/index.php?title=Suspension_Fluid
 
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