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Weyless SP w-Mantiou QL

Average Rating 4.33/5
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MSRP $ 1295.00
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Description:
  • Example Size: 18"
  • Color: Silver/Blue
  • Head angle: 70º
  • Seat angle: 73º
  • Top tube length: 23.5"
  • Chainstay length: 16.9"
  • BB height: 12.5"
  • Brakes: Avid SD7
  • Cassette: LX 9-spd
  • Crank Set: LX Hollowtech
  • Grips: WTB
  • Handlebar: Weyless XC Riser
  • Headset: Cane Creek Aheadset
  • Hubs: WTB Laser Disc Lite
  • Fork: 2003 RockShox Duke SL U-Turn
  • Frame: Butted 7005 Alloy
  • Front Derailleur: XT
  • Pedals: Wellgo Clipless
  • Rear Derailleur: XT
  • Rear Shocks: Manitou QL w/Lockout
  • Rims: WTB Laserbeam
  • Seat: WTB Rocket V Laser
  • Seatpost: Weyless 3D Forged
  • Shifters: XT
  • Stem: Weyless Forged
  • Tires: WTB MutanoRaptor Fr, Motoraptor R





  • Submitted by Keith a from Colorado
    Date Reviewed: June 7, 2007
    Duration Product Used:More than 3 years
    Price Paid: $500.00
    Purchased At:supergo
    Strengths:Cheap, rides well and smooth.
    Weaknesses:Cheap, Cracked the frame after 4 years of use. Shock and connector parts were had too much play and banged around.
    Bottom Line:You get what you pay for. I got a lot of miles out of the frame but eventually cracked a weld on the downtube where the pivot connects.
    Value Rating:3Overall Rating:3

    Submitted by sckotty a Weekend Warrior from san angelo
    Date Reviewed: May 24, 2005
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $250.00
    Purchased At:supergo
    Strengths:Light, simple single pivit design, smooth welds, durable paint, and most of all price.
    Weaknesses:Some flex in rear in hard truns and druing hard cranking
    Similar Products Used:Specialized Enduro
    Bike Setup:Rock Shock psylo race w/ lock out, avid 7" mech disc, scram x-7 drive train and rack face cranks, mutono rapor mtb 2.4 and alex dh rims
    Bottom Line:I am very surprized in this bikes handeling and speed. I keep looking over the bike after every ride thinking I am going to crack the frame. I am 235 and I love to ride hard and fast. I have droped off 2' ledges with no problem. I have gone over this bike with a fine tooth comb and each weld is smooth and perfect. I have have ridden this bike in a time trial and rode it as hard as I could and not even a creak out of the frame. Heck my 2003 2600.00 s-work enduro made more squeeks. With a 5 year replacment warrantee you cant go wrong. I have already got my moneys worth out of it in the last few months. It is amazing that SuperGo and produce a quality product for such a great price. It is even made with higher grade aluminum than Santa Cruz super light and has idenetical geometry. I bet the shipping for Santa Cruz cost more than this bike cost even with a Muntano lock out shock. I will get sick of looking at it before the warrantee runs out. Great buy if you can get your hands on one. SuperGo seems to having a hard time keeping the frames only in stock they sell so fast. I run alex DH rims because of my 235 lbs keeps tweaking the numerous pairs of Mavic rims I have had in the past. So far so good. Knock on wood.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Dean a Cross Country Rider from Kentucky
    Date Reviewed: March 31, 2004
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $500.00
    Purchased At:supergo
    Strengths:2004 Weyless SP has the Manitou QRL -- another nice shock from the Answer folks. Good welds, sharp black paint job, subtle graphics, nice CNC millwork on swingarm and rear dropouts.
    Weaknesses:Wish the top tube were just a bit longer on my medium frame. Only has one water bottle mount (just fine for me to carry a bottle of Cytomax juice along with water in a hydration pack) but some riders may need a second mount.
    Similar Products Used:Intense Spider (the gray Superbike looks damn good next to the humble, unassuming Weyless and vice versa). Gary Fisher Sugar 1 and Supercaliber. Countless relics.
    Bike Setup:2003 XTR dual control shifters with disc and low-normal rear derailleur. 2002 black Mavic Crossmax wheelset. Easton Monkeylite riser bar, 2004 XT Hollowtech 2 cranks. UST Panaracer Fire or Hutchinson Python lite tires. Flite saddle. 2003 Manitou Skareb fork (3" travel).
    Bottom Line:This is the 2004 Weyless SP with the Manitou QRL. I bought it as a frameset and threw on components left over when I sold the chain-sucking Fisher Sugar and also bargains that I'd found on Ebay.
    It's sorta the backup to the Intense Spider. I'm riding it for training and on muddy days. It also serves as a loaner to a (lucky) friend of mine.
    I'm happy with the ride. It handles well and the rear suspension is nice and supple, yet not much bobbing. The lockout works fine on the QRL, also.
    With the Pythons mounted on the Mavic hoops, it weighs 25.3 pounds on digital shop scales. The Panaracers make it a 25.8 pounder. For the sake of comparison, the Spider is similarly equipped and weighs 25.3 with a 100mm travel fork and Michelin UST tires. I'd say that puts the SP within a pound of the $2000 Spider frameset.
    I would gladly buy the Supergo frame again. It's quite a lot of fun and has the feel of a bike costing way more than its $500 pricetag. Of course a lot of this has to do with the components.

    Before I got the bike, I was sure I would want to remove its stickers, but now I could care less. The bike looks good and rides great.
    It's earned its keep.

    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Special Ed a Cross Country Rider from UpNorth, WI, USA
    Date Reviewed: February 26, 2004
    Favoriate Trail:Ho-Chi-Minh
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $390.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:The welds are beefy.
    The paint does not chip.
    Weaknesses:The swingarm flexed to the left and placed a quarter inch deep dent in the seat tube. Now im sending the frame back to supergo for a replacement and upgrading to the 04 model.
    THe manitou QL is for sure a weakness. Mine blew up the second time I rode the bike. I put a FOX coil on it, and have had no problems since. Im thinking now that the frame flex was at fault for the QL going bang.
    Similar Products Used:None, its my first FS bike. Have only used hardtails before.
    Bike Setup:Marz MxPro fork. Turbine LP crankset. Sun SingleTrack disk wheels. Avid mechanical wild pig calls err brakes. Shimano 9speed noisemaking chain grinders.
    Bottom Line:Cheap, Low maintenance, Good looking, Ready to go for a ride when you want to, and doesn't weigh too much. -hmm weyless should make girlfriends.

    Low budget riders who need a tough bike should consider one of these. Gram counting techno weenies should spend a thousand dollars more for a conformist big name bike.

    And thats the bottom line, cause Stone Cold said so.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by gregg a Weekend Warrior from thousand oaks,ca
    Date Reviewed: January 25, 2004
    Favoriate Trail:wildwood park
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $500.00
    Purchased At:supergo
    Strengths:incredible value for the $$. i assembled it with a bunch of take off parts i've had in a box for months. ride is awesome. lot's of talk this year about anti-bob, virtual pivot points, s.p.v. valves etc. this frame has no pogoing at all without any of the above technology.
    i've never gone for full suspension before because i hate inefficient climbing. i owned a diamond bacK V10 but never really liked it- too much squish. i demo'd a sugar but
    it climbed like a contrete block. the weyless climbs the steepest singletrackas well as my hardtail with all the benefits of full suspension when descending. efficient, comfortable stable and fun. truly a great riding frame
    Weaknesses:beats me.
    Similar Products Used:demo'd a sugar. owned a diamond back v-10.
    Bike Setup:bunch of odd's and ends that came off the diamond back v-10
    Bottom Line:simply a awesome frame. love the ride. the crazy low price is an added bonus.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by George a Cross Country Rider from Dublin, CA
    Date Reviewed: December 24, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:any trail
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $499.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:This is the black 2004 Weyless SP model with Manitou rear shock. great updated (attention to detail)2004 SP single pivot design, great welds, comes in black, can easily use 8" disc brakes, lock out on rear shock, smart looks, handles excellent, great price.
    Weaknesses:None so far.
    Similar Products Used:most suspension bikes out there.
    Bike Setup:2004 Weyless SP 18" with Avid 8" mechanical disc brakes, mostly shimano and 100mm Rock Shox Judy SL fork.
    Bottom Line:This review is for the 2004 Weyless SP. I'm impressed by the quality of this frame and the attention to detail. There is plenty of room in the rear for 8" disc brakes, the welds are excellent, paint scheme looks great, it handles well, and it costs at least 50% less than a Santa Cruz and comes with a 5 year warranty. I like the fact that Performance Bicycle now owns Supergo as well.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Pete a Cross Country Rider from Media, PA, USA
    Date Reviewed: October 14, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:N/A
    Duration Product Used:1 Year
    Purchased At:495
    Strengths:Price, Reliability.
    Weaknesses:no supergo's on the east coast
    Similar Products Used:GT, Santa Cruz
    Bottom Line:Definitely worth the cash. I've been riding this bike harder and harder and the tires keep getting wider, and the psi keeps gettin lower, and I keep going higher and faster and the bike just keeps surprising me. No maintenance required this season I've never ridin a bike one whole season w/out something going wrong. If you're interested in a bike that will make you a better rider and not so much the "status" this is your bike.

    5/5 flammin'
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by DIck a Cross Country Rider from Jericho, VT
    Date Reviewed: August 20, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:Old Webs
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $495.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:Ridiculous price for a fantastic ride. Very smooth, plenty stiff laterally due to big pivots and beefy rear triangle. I've crashed hard on it many times (it inspires confidence beyond the level of rider ability) and have bent or broken nothing.
    Weaknesses:Manitou QL lockout never worked. But the bike doesn't bob, so what do I need it for anyway? Shock was also very sticky until I rebuilt it - like buttah evah since. But that's a subject for a Manitou review, not Weyless.
    Similar Products Used:Other people's Santa Cruz Superlights, Giant NRS, my old Trek 9800, even older Schwinn Homegrown race bike.
    Bike Setup:Hayes disc, XTR/XT, Real hubs with RhynoLites, WTB Mutano 2.4s
    Bottom Line:Can't say enough great things about this bike! Laugh while can, label-snooty monkey-boy. Don't worry - I'll be waiting at the top. And I'll wait again at the bottom.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Erin Swenson-Healey a Weekend Warrior from Seattle, WA
    Date Reviewed: July 13, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:eh, preston RR ?
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $495.00
    Purchased At:www.supergo.com
    Strengths:lightweight, PRICE, and the bundled manitou QL
    Weaknesses:none, yet
    Similar Products Used:ridiculously heavy hardtails and _road bikes_
    Bike Setup:XT brakes, front / rear derails, hubs, easton riser bars, xt shifter / brake pods, gore-brake cabling, xtr shifter cabling, marzocchi Z1 bomber up front, turbine LP's and the isis drive BB
    Bottom Line:For the price, I don't see how you can beat this frame. Admittedly I've only had it for a week, but I've been riding it every day and its leaps and bounds ahead of my old hardtail. Initially I was going to steer clear of the FS XC bike due to concerns about power-loss while climbing, but with this lockout (which, indeed does actually work) theres no problems. Actually, with the lockout disengaged and the rear QL in full suspension mode (or whatever) it still climbs quite well. Really the only place you notice the QL is when you hit the ground after a drop, in which case your smile broadens at it goes "SQUUUUUIIIISHHH" and you continue riding unscathed. Over all, it rules.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by crash alot a Cross Country Rider from crown town, california
    Date Reviewed: June 22, 2003
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $12000.00
    Purchased At:supergo
    Strengths:good fork up front, brakes work well, and seat is good. the full suspension works wonders for cross country riding and down hill decents. the bike has very good control!
    Weaknesses:bottom bracket welds have cracked on me twice. supergo is good about replacing the frame.
    Similar Products Used:santa cruz, gt
    Bike Setup:cross country
    Bottom Line:for the price the bike is good. however, i am not pleased about the frame welds on the bottom bracket. other then that the bike is awsome and race ready.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Rafael Torres a Weekend Warrior from Miami, Florida
    Date Reviewed: June 18, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:Tsali
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $495.00
    Purchased At:Supergo.com
    Strengths:This bike gives you a smooth ride in small and large obstacles (for me that's 3 to 4 feet), it's lightweight, climbs with ease, has a descent paint job, and best of all it's affordable.
    Weaknesses:I had to do a little filing to fit the derailler hanger flush in the frame. The welding could be "prettier", but who cares as long as it holds to abuse.
    Similar Products Used:Giant NRS
    Bike Setup:It's a mix of parts from my old hard tail. Full XT (9 speed). I had to buy a top pull front derailler, M750 V-brakes, Truvativ ISIS cranks, Wellgo MG-18 Pedals, Hell bent handlebars.
    Bottom Line:Apart from the filing to install the hanger, I've been completely satisfied with this rig. For the small amount of money I spent (approximately $650.00) I was able to put together a pretty decent full suspension bike that can hold it's own with the $2,000+ bikes my friends own.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Pete a Cross Country Rider from Philadelphia, PA
    Date Reviewed: May 30, 2003
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $495.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:Price, Single Pivot Design.
    Weaknesses:None Yet
    Similar Products Used:Klein Mantra, Avalance GT
    Bottom Line:Buy the frame and build it up. When you first get the bike make sure all the bolts are tightened down (not over tight though) this is important!! I think that's why some people are saying they get lateral flex in the frame aside from that this bike kicks ass for real. I feel the power of saving coin and having an increased ability a light, strong climber. Who cares what it looks like, my bike has a red fork on the front w/the blue frame I look like Capt. America, but I’m looking behind me. My riding level is up a notch or two with this bike. Buy it and you'll see.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Keith a Weekend Warrior from Longmont, CO
    Date Reviewed: May 1, 2003
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $500.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:This review is for the frame only. Smooth active suspension at the right times at a low price. Simple design and easy to maintain. This frame rides well on high speed single tracks Also it climes well and lockout is nice for technical up hills.
    Weaknesses:I did have some issues with the head bolt which mounts the front of the shock to the frame. Supergo was not very helpful regarding this issue. The problem was not the frame itself but the hardware used to attach the shock to the frame. I filed down one of the bushings to reduce the width of the total width of the bushings that the shocks pilots on. This provided a much snugger fit (shock does not slide side to side on the bushings) and now it is no longer a problem.
    Similar Products Used:Total mix from older bikes.
    Bike Setup:Total mix from older bikes.
    Bottom Line:For 500 bucks I am happy with this product despite the head bolt issue. It's not a top of the line frame but the price makes it a good deal to performance ratio. It is definitely fast.
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Dave a Cross Country Rider from Valencia
    Date Reviewed: April 16, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:Johnson's / Chumash
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $500.00
    Purchased At:Supergo Santa Monica
    Strengths:Great ride, relaxed geometry, price, looks
    Weaknesses:Taiwan!
    Similar Products Used:Schwinn S10, Norco Launch, 3D Rover
    Bike Setup:I bought this as a frameset and built it up with high end parts I took off my former hardtail race bike. Cane Creek Wam Ti wheels, RaceFace cranks, Phil Wood Ti bottom bracket, XTR brakes-shifters-derailers, Chris King headset, Easton stem, Weyless carbon fiber handlebar, Vuelta saddle, Marzocchi Atom Race 100, etc.
    Bottom Line:Don't buy this bike if you are a bike snob! This being Supergo's house brand some bike weenies will look down upon you! If you don't give a furry rats a$$ BUY THIS BIKE! Very stable platform, smooth rear suspension complements the Marzocchi. Rear lockout is nice but I don't use it much. Not the prettiest welds but so far appear to be holding up well. I ride a wide variety of trails in So Cal from rocky single track to fast fireroads, it works well on everything. This is a sweet ride. And for the weight weenies - 25.75lbs.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Ryan a from Morgan Hill, CA
    Date Reviewed: April 10, 2003
    Favoriate Trail:Laguna Seca Rec. Area Trails
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $600.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:This is a frame-only review:

    It's "cheap", as in "affordable". Supergo copied the tried and true single pivot design and made it possible for riders who can't afford a Superlight to have a similar feeling suspension ride. The suspension is active at all the right times, doesn't bob too much when climbing, and cycles through its travel very smoothly.
    Weaknesses:It's "cheap", as in it's "built cheaply"!! After only a couple of weeks of riding, I noticed considerable lateral flex in the rear swingarm. The weak point was at the head bolt of the Manitou Q shock. The bolt was tight, it wasn't missing any washers, it just moved side to side! This, to say the least, did not inspire confidence in my new frame. Supergo customer service (after speaking to several people and finally talking to the Weyless product designer) was very cool and refunded my money.
    Bike Setup:Duke SL fork (great fork), XT/XTR drivetrain, XTR Rhino Lite Rims, Fire XC Pro tires
    Bottom Line:Buy a Superlight!! Don't take chances with an inferior product! (this was actually my second Weyless frame - I also had the Weyless Ultra hardtail, which was recalled due to a manufacturing error) If at all possible, wait and save a few more months so you buy quality. That's what I did, and instead of worrying about my rear wheel flex as I ride, I only have a huge grin plastered to my face as I zip around trails on my Santa Cruz. Buy a Superlight!!
    Value Rating:4Overall Rating:1

    Submitted by Ron a Cross Country Rider from SF, CA, USA
    Date Reviewed: March 11, 2003
    Duration Product Used:3 months
    Price Paid: $1230.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:Smooth as butta... Can't beat the frame, drivetrain, wheels, and brakes for the price and weight. Goes up and down with the best of them.
    Weaknesses:Hate to even mention any weaknesses, but the Manitou QL lockout lever has been intermittent. Answer customer support has been very helpful in resolving the issue.
    Similar Products Used:Trek 970, Klein FS
    Bike Setup:Completely stock. Avid single digit.
    Bottom Line:Everyone I let on this bike loves it. I initially hesitated on getting a full suspension ride because I didn't want to sacrifice weight and $$ for "nice to haves". It turns out I didn't have to. Wellgo pedals are working fine for me, but this has been a dry winter, so not much mud action yet.

    Bottom line... For the price of a hardtail with the same components I get to sail off bumps and jumps with the smoothest landings, climb like a monkey, and bomb descents with the greatest of ease. 5 steaming monkey turds from me.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5

    Submitted by Porky a Weekend Warrior from Singapore
    Date Reviewed: February 10, 2003
    Duration Product Used:Less than 1 month
    Price Paid: $1199.00
    Purchased At:Supergo
    Strengths:Good Climber, Good components for the price (except pedals and headset). Simple Single Pivot and Fairly strong Frame. Very Affordable. Surprising Paintwork, Frame looks overbuilt unlike superlight but still fairly light. no more chain slap. Disc upgradable, now they have the mech avids for 100 more
    Weaknesses:Wellgo 801s are Pedals from hell (don't work in mud). Cane Sheet aheadset has grit in the races already. Duke U-turn gushed forkoil when I tried to reseat the bottom out limiter, now no oil damping. Welds look like the someone squeezed it out of a toothpaste tube, sloppy and huge.
    Similar Products Used:Santacruz Superlight, Trek 8000, GF Joshua, GT Avalanche
    Bike Setup:As in the supergo website, will be getting discs once I wear out the SD7s
    Bottom Line:The bike has really good and a few bad components,
    -Weyless seatpost, stem and handlebar are strong but heavy,
    -Manitou QL works well with no leaks for many weeks, lockout is nice but not necessary
    -Duke shock with U-Turn very stiff and precise, but heavy.
    -WTB Wheelset is light but strong, needs its run in truing now.
    -WTB saddle is good and tyres are good with ok grip in most conditions
    -Drive train and brakes are great! XT, LX and Avid
    - wellgo Pedals and cane sheet aheadset really bring the performance of the bike down, would be the first to go.

    Buy this bike if you are not picky on brand and welding. It rides as well as the Superlight and costs as much as the frame alone. Alot of bike for the buck
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:4

    Submitted by Brad a Cross Country Rider from Colorado Springs, Colorado
    Date Reviewed: November 26, 2002
    Favoriate Trail:Ute Valley and Captain Jacks
    Duration Product Used:6 months
    Price Paid: $600.00
    Purchased At:Supergo Website
    Strengths:I have simply loved riding this bike all summer long. We do a lot of fairly technical things, and I find the four inches of travel great going down hill, and minimal bob going up hill. I've been bunny hoping off any bump I can find. For the price, I can't believe how much fun this frame offers.
    Weaknesses:People who don't like to have fun shouldn't buy this bike.
    Bottom Line:For the money, this baby is so awesome.
    Value Rating:5Overall Rating:5






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