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Submitted by
duane
from denver,colorado
Date Reviewed: 3/27/2008 8:58:41 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | for $100 i'll take you there! |
| Duration Product Used: | 1 Year |
| Price Paid: | $110 |
| Purchased At: | lbs |
| Strengths: | best seat i've ever tried, durable, unique, truly forms to fit! |
| Weaknesses: | heavy, doesn't like water, more maintenance than other saddles, involves learning curve and break in time. |
| Similar Products Tried: | wtb, terry fly, spesh bg[second fave],dozens of others. |
| Bike Setup: | kona coiler freeride with custom 7 inches of travel, dangerboy kit,daily rider used for 4 years for freeride, commute, dirt jumps, xc, bikepacking, everything but racing. |
| Bottom Line: | Struggled for years to find the right seat, nothing worked, specialised bg was the closest i found, but the model i liked was pretty worn out before my new puppy got a hold of it, then i couldn't find the same 6 year old seat to replace it.in despair, i turned to this website and read the reviews for the brooks b-17.after 1 year of riding on it i will NEVER use anything else. what everyone else said is true,and even though people still tell me its too big and looks stupid on a freeride bike, i will NEVER take it off. my seat has conformed to my sit bones better than any modern manufacturer's seat could even think about.there have been drawbacks, such as riding in the rain, when the leather absolutely blistered on me, but with some mink oil and care it returned to shape in a couple of days.overall,the best i have ever ridden! |
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Submitted by
Dusty
a Cross Country Rider
from Pottstown, PA
Date Reviewed: 2/17/2008 11:50:56 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | French Creek |
| Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month |
| Price Paid: | $72 |
| Purchased At: | Shirk's Bike Shop |
| Strengths: | Comfort, Comfort, Comfort Retro Looks (if you're into that) Comfort |
| Weaknesses: | Weight Retro Looks (if you're not into that) |
| Similar Products Tried: | Nothing compares to Brooks. I've used all sorts of high-tech bio-correct saddles; WTB, Sella, Terry etc. |
| Bike Setup: | 06 Redline Conquest Cross Bike |
| Bottom Line: | Model purchased: B-17 Standard, steel rails, basic black. Type of rider: XC Mtb, Cross bike (mainly for road riding), about 2k mi/yr is the plan, logged a thousand road miles last year from June to Oct. Got back into riding a couple years ago after several years of local level mt bike, road & cross racing in the 90's. 175-180 lbs, 6' tall male. I put this saddle on my Cross bike this weekend and put about 55 mi on it (on the road). Never say never, but I will never buy another brand of saddle again. I can't begin to tell you how comfortable this seat is right out of the box, despite it's initial rock-hard appearance. This seat will be crazy-comfy once broken in. I initially adjusted the saddle level front to back, but about 5 mi into my first ride I felt like I was sliding forward with too much pressure on my wrists. I quickly adjusted it "nose-up" about 1/4" from level and pushed it as far back on the rails as it would go. Perfect. I was debating whether to go B-17, B-17N or Team Professional (slightly narrower) but the B-17 doesn't feel (or look) too wide at all. Great climbing saddle, the more your weight shifts back the more it disappears beneath you. Perhaps too heavy for weight-weenie racers (though ti-rail versions are avail), but for the rest of you, please do yourself a favor and give this saddle a try. It will change your riding experience. |
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Submitted by
Muzza
a Weekend Warrior
from New Zealand
Date Reviewed: 2/17/2008 11:41:53 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | The ones I don't fall off |
| Duration Product Used: | 6 months |
| Strengths: | This is a follow up review for the one I submitted on the 15 September. I swapped this saddle from my old Rift Zone to my new Maverick and what a difference. the numbness described below has gone. I'm picking it was a factor of frame and seat angles conspiring against me. Anyhow, the saddle has 700 mils on it and is extremely comfortable. 4+ hour rides with no problem. Highly recommended. |
| Weaknesses: | A bit wide at the rear but there are other models that aren't this way. |
| Bottom Line: | Well worth a look for XC / AM bikes if weight isn't a problem. |
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Submitted by
blas villanueva
from albuquerque
Date Reviewed: 2/14/2008 1:16:54 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Bosque |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $85 |
| Purchased At: | Fat Tire Cycles |
| Strengths: | black leather and chrome for those into it...Fit is like no other saddle I have ever ridden. I will never agan buy a non-brooks saddle. |
| Weaknesses: | weight, if you value grams over comfort. Initial cost but it should be noted the saddle could last 20 to 30 years. |
| Similar Products Tried: | PERSONS-MAJESTIC #77, fizik pave, other fiziks, various gel saddles, forte slx |
| Bike Setup: | 04 Giant TCR Alloy road; 95 Cannondale road. Stiff frames |
| Bottom Line: | I started the break in and let my wife try the saddle because she was having severe problems with her previous cushy gel saddle as her ability to ride farther has developed. What's hers is hers and what's mine is hers, too. She pirated it completely and has given it her seal of approval. It was definitely the finest fitting saddle I have ever ridden from out of the box, and has only improved. People say it disappears under you and it really does. No other saddle has ever given this disappearing sensation. Break in was improved with heavy coating of mink oil that was allowed to soak in over a warm radiator over a couple of hours. It took in something like 2 oz or more over the process but softened nicely and it should also be waterproof. I butchered and tied it into a "Swallowized" shape. No loss of stiffness and it looks even better if such a thing can be said. One thing often not mentioned is that it dampens road vibration from the rear wheel very noticibly, giving a ride like a Caddillac on even a very stiff frame. Overcoming the vanity of the carbon/titanium bird perches I have used for saddles until now is a decision I wish I had made sooner. You won't regret it if you give this saddle a chance. Best single investment in my bike in years, even if it ended on my wife's bike. I'm getting another. |
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Submitted by
David Henderson
from Raleigh, NC, US
Date Reviewed: 1/15/2008 9:59:43 AM |
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| Duration Product Used: | 1 Year |
| Price Paid: | $60 |
| Purchased At: | online |
| Strengths: | Comfortable, cool-looking, durable, retro conversation piece |
| Weaknesses: | Heavy |
| Similar Products Tried: | Lots of different saddles |
| Bike Setup: | Roadie. Merlin Extralight, Campy stuff. |
| Bottom Line: | I'm a roadie, riding about 4,000 miles a year, but roadbikereview.com doesn't include Brooks products. Huh? Anyway, many saddles used, and at least for my old parts, this is the schnizzel. Break-in was on the order of a couple of weeks before comfortable. Extra weight worth it, and if I need another, I'll get a B17 with a Ti frame, now that I'm aware that these things work. Note that I tried a Swift, and it was too narrow, so try to gauge your inter-ischial tuberosity span to pick the right one. |
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Submitted by
Jeff
a Weekend Warrior
from HK
Date Reviewed: 1/3/2008 11:42:01 PM |
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| Duration Product Used: | 1 Year |
| Strengths: | Excellent construction quality, looks cool. Good for touring/commuting. |
| Weaknesses: | Heavy. Too slick for mountain biking use. Long break-in time as leather is very thick. |
| Bike Setup: | Cannondale hardtail |
| Bottom Line: | This is a good saddle for commuting or touring, where weight doesn't matter. It's comfortable, even though it's hardly broken in over a year of use (I must be too light at 140lbs). It has novelty value in most places (except in San Francisco, where it seems every third bike has a Brooks). As a mountain biking saddle, this thing is terrible. It's very heavy (around 1lb) compared to synthetic saddles. And the slick leather surface means that you slide around on it easily, so you can't use it as an effective control point (either with your butt or when you stand on the pedals and grab the nose with your thighs). I'm giving this a 3 out of 5 because it's a good quality, durable product. But not really suited to mountain biking. |
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Submitted by
Anthony
a Weekend Warrior
from Whitehorse, YT, Canada
Date Reviewed: 12/28/2007 10:42:07 AM |
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| Duration Product Used: | 6 months |
| Price Paid: | $62 |
| Purchased At: | JensonUSA |
| Strengths: | Tops the charts for comfort, looks, and durability. Good choice for a big clyde (like me). |
| Weaknesses: | Extra width means it can be hard to get off the back of the saddle. |
| Similar Products Tried: | Brooks Champion Flyer, WTB Laser V, various non-name saddles |
| Bike Setup: | Rigid Karate Monkey singlespeed |
| Bottom Line: | I'll never ride anything but Brooks on any bike, ever again. |
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Submitted by
Chris
a Cross Country Rider
from Lincoln
Date Reviewed: 12/27/2007 3:53:11 PM |
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| Duration Product Used: | 6 months |
| Price Paid: | $95 |
| Purchased At: | Monkey Wrench Cycles, Lincoln Nebraska |
| Strengths: | QUALITY!!!! And Comfort!! |
| Weaknesses: | Weight if you are very into light weight bikes. Worries of getting it wet. |
| Similar Products Tried: | None |
| Bike Setup: | SS 29er. |
| Bottom Line: | Ok, So this review is for the B17 Champion Special with the brass rails and hammered brass rivets. I intentionally waited until I got about 1000mi on this saddle before I left a review. I think this saddle is great!!! It does the job perfectly, and it will be the last saddle I will probably ever buy...unless I buy more Brooks saddles for other bikes. I lived in Britain for 3 years and this saddle completely fits the British persona. Buy a high quality product and use it for many, many years. The saddle fully broke in for me in about 200mi using sweat from my butt and one coat of saddle soap. It is now the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden. Yes, it weighs much more than the cool looking carbon fiber jobbies on expensive racing bikes. But I believe there comes a point in every boy racer's life when you have to be honest with yourself and realize that you are never going to ride Le Tour, and so a few extra grams does not really matter. What matters is riding in comfort!!! |
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Submitted by
Wade Patton
a Cross Country Rider
from Woodbury, TN
Date Reviewed: 10/23/2007 7:50:59 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | the one I'm riding |
| Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years |
| Purchased At: | Wallingford Bike |
| Strengths: | Comfort, durability, style. |
| Similar Products Tried: | all of 'em. |
| Bike Setup: | Road or Mountain, they have Brooks saddles. |
| Bottom Line: | If your butt ever bothers you, get a Brooks. Some break in quickly some don't, but they all will. AND Wallingford will take it back if you decide you don't like it. All my bikes wear leather. And I race some. Break-in trick: Damp it down by leaving a wet rag on it for several minutes before riding for the first several rides. Don't saturate, but simulate a sweat-soaked condition. When the dimples start to form, stop wetting and start Proofhiding. |
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Submitted by
Jim
a Weekend Warrior
from Norco, La USA
Date Reviewed: 10/12/2007 5:56:51 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Comite trail system-Baton Rouge |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $65 |
| Purchased At: | Price Point |
| Strengths: | Beauty, simplicity, quality, does what it's supposed to without looking like something that doesn't |
| Weaknesses: | No middle of the seat groove |
| Similar Products Tried: | Koobi (now #2), Serta, WTB Pure, WTB Laser |
| Bike Setup: | Jamis XLT,Mavic wheels, Hope QR's,seat lock, and hubs,LX cranks, Fox Float front and rear sm blk Kenda's |
| Bottom Line: | I know there's already enough said about this saddle but I couldn't help raving. I'm 60, overweight, only two years into bikes, have tried everything (Koobi being the best to date)and then on a whim bought this and I can't believe it. Tough at first, then 30 miles-better, 50 miles-even better-75 miles and there's two little dents where my big ass nestles into and goes for the most comfortable bike ride it's ever had. Hard to find high quality, high end workmanship, and value these days. Oh yeah, bike shorts are now an option! |
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Submitted by
chcmuzza
a Weekend Warrior
from New Zealand
Date Reviewed: 9/15/2007 10:25:26 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Anaconda |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $190 |
| Purchased At: | Beyond Bikes |
| Strengths: | ***** This is for the Brooks B17 Champion Special with Ti Rails ***** Does mold to the shape of your sitting position. Well made, very sturdy. |
| Weaknesses: | The nose of the saddle is very hard. This is where hardware used to stretch the saddle is located and this part of the saddle 'digs in' to the channel between front and back of the body. Can get very tender on long rides. This might be all part of the break-in process or maybe the way I am sitting on the saddle. The 'boys' are in front of the saddle nose thus I might be too far forwards, perhaps a function of the width at the back of the saddle. Very wide at the rear, inhibits quickly moving off the saddle for downhill sections. |
| Similar Products Tried: | Serfias gel saddle |
| Bike Setup: | 98 Marin Rift Zone |
| Bottom Line: | I got this to improve on the numb backside around the sit bones and the numb 'boys'. Both these have improved but I do find tenderness as described above. This was one of the widest Brooks saddles available and I chose it as I am 240lbs and 6'1". I would consider something narrower next time. |
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Submitted by
Tom Thompson
a Racer
from MT
Date Reviewed: 9/14/2007 10:59:24 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Growlers Gulch |
| Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years |
| Price Paid: | $89 |
| Purchased At: | Wallingford Bicycles |
| Strengths: | Comfort, durability, craftsmanship, tradition, a bit of hand-made art for your bike. |
| Weaknesses: | Heavy, irrelevent for all but elite racers. Maybe not even them |
| Similar Products Tried: | Turbos, Flites, Terrys, Selle Anatomica (the only one that even comes close) |
| Bike Setup: | Gary Fischer Big Sur w/ XT |
| Bottom Line: | Many before me have written gushing reviews, so I'll keep it simple: I have three B17 Champion Specials. One on my MTB, on on my cyclocross/touring/commuter, and even one on my roadracing bike. After years of trying to find something both light and comfortable I finally gave up and put on a Brooks. If anything it improved my race results (which were pretty modest to begin with) because now I can ride in the drops for as long as necessary without discomfort. I don't notice the extra weight. Spend some time getting the saddle set up (don't be surprised if you have to make adjustments as it breaks in)and you will not be disappointed. These saddles are simply the best money can buy, and they will outlast anything else available. |
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Submitted by
Everett
from Portland, OR, USA
Date Reviewed: 9/1/2007 8:22:55 AM |
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| Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month |
| Price Paid: | $95 |
| Purchased At: | Veloce Bicycles |
| Strengths: | Looks cool, Very Comfortable |
| Weaknesses: | Sensitive to rain (Not good for pdx) Mink Oil stains saddle |
| Similar Products Tried: | Terry Fly |
| Bike Setup: | 2007 Bianchi Pista, Stock. |
| Bottom Line: | Even after just two days, this is the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden. The guy at the bike shop told me to pour melted mink oil paste into the underside of the saddle and put the paste on top. Apparently I wiped the paste off to soon, so part of the saddle is darker then the other. THis will al even out when I let the paste fully soak in. I never wear padded shorts and this is still the most comfortable thing ever!! The British racing green w/ the copper sidrails looks pretty cool, until the Mink oil darkens it. But then you have this unique color that no one else will have. |
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Submitted by
Brandon
a Cross Country Rider
from Seoul, South Korea
Date Reviewed: 8/28/2007 1:40:31 AM |
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| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $80 |
| Purchased At: | LBS SEOUL |
| Strengths: | Looks cool with the big copper rivets, wider than most modern seats, really comfy after break-in |
| Weaknesses: | Takes some KM/MILES to break it in. |
| Similar Products Tried: | the other stuff from SELLE whatever. |
| Bike Setup: | Soma Groove (steel) Full XTR drive train, Hope mini-motos, custom wheels, Ritchey WCS cockpit, BROOKS b-17 champion special |
| Bottom Line: | I ride a lot and a narrow hard seat was just not fitting the bill. I read all the posts and decided to give it a try. Cheaper than a lot of other stamped products out there and I am a happier rider now. I am not going to say that is heaven upon installation becasue it is not. I used the Proofride, but I also went against the norm and used some A&D ointment (it has many of the same properties as the brooks stuff) I think this aided in the breakin process. After about 200-300 miles I could really feel the difference, especially since my old seat went on ny other bike and I ride it to work daily. |
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Submitted by
thien truong
a Cross Country Rider
from loganvile
Date Reviewed: 8/15/2007 10:45:42 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | International Horse park |
| Duration Product Used: | More than 3 years |
| Price Paid: | $10 |
| Purchased At: | Mark's bike |
| Strengths: | it will last forever |
| Weaknesses: | none |
| Similar Products Tried: | every fancy saddle that ever made. |
| Bike Setup: | Santacuz supper light |
| Bottom Line: | I'm looking to buy another Brook saddle for my road bike, because I took my Brook saddle off my road bike and put it on my Santacuz to see how it fell to ride it on a mountain bike. It's been six year ago, Three days a week and 12 miles a day off road riding, not one complaint. Now I'm back to do some road riding and I'll need my Brook back, I have no other choice, but getting another Brook saddle. It was $10.00 well spend 15 years, when I brought it on a table marking final sale sign at my local bike shop. |
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Submitted by
Clay Spradlin
a Weekend Warrior
from Wooster, AR...USA
Date Reviewed: 8/7/2007 9:57:11 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Cadron Park |
| Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month |
| Price Paid: | $55 |
| Purchased At: | Ebay |
| Strengths: | looks, comfort, durable |
| Weaknesses: | none to speak of |
| Similar Products Tried: | Selle Flight Gel.....aka a$$ hatchet!!! |
| Bike Setup: | Leader 526 hard tail, Fox F100RLC, XTR shifters and brakes, XT Drivetrain |
| Bottom Line: | I'll never ride anything else again! If your like me, you've read all the reviews for this saddle twice, believe them! Right out of the box this saddle was more comfortable than what I was riding. As expected it does have some stiffness but that wont last long. I mostly ride on the road for the exercise, but I also trail ride when I get a chance. I was worried that it would be to wide for trail riding (getting behind the saddle on steep downhills) no problem at all, Its only slightly wider that my old seat but wide enough to support by sit bones. Bottom Line: great seat, most comfortable seat to ever grace my a$$. Proofhide it every few months and you can include it in your will. If your a big guy (I'm 6-4 235lb.)this is the seat for you. Smaller guys can prolly go with the B17 N (narrow), but my a$$ is wider than average. Buy this saddle!!! your a$$ will thank you! |
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Submitted by
handsome george
a Cross Country Rider
from UK
Date Reviewed: 6/30/2007 4:04:54 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | any away from people! |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $60 |
| Purchased At: | uk |
| Strengths: | Class, history, proven record. |
| Weaknesses: | not many. leather needs looking after. |
| Similar Products Tried: | various crap saddles. |
| Bike Setup: | Touring |
| Bottom Line: | Was instantly an improvement over crippling the saddle I took off even tho' the B-17 was new and hard as rock its getting better all the time and my ass didn't hurt from the off. It looks the tits too. I can see its gonna be even better. Plus it'll last for years and tough with it. |
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christopher pellitier
a Cross Country Rider
from buford ga 30519
Date Reviewed: 6/19/2007 4:48:29 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | mansfield hollow |
| Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month |
| Price Paid: | $49 |
| Purchased At: | ebay |
| Strengths: | 100 plus years of quality products , comfortable ya i said comfortable should i say it again |
| Weaknesses: | none that i could state |
| Similar Products Tried: | all the garbage put out by taiwan and china , plastic a** killers |
| Bike Setup: | fetish cycles discipline ( hardtail ) |
| Bottom Line: | i laughed at a friend of mine about 5 years ago for owning this saddle, what a mistake i made , i purchased this saddle after reading the reviews here and everyone could not have been any more right , no numbness no sore backside this has to be the best thing since sliced bread. get one now and stop the unneeded pain , i think cycling is for fun not pain. |
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Submitted by
Loren Bourassa
a Cross Country Rider
from Clackamas, OR, USA
Date Reviewed: 3/21/2007 2:57:47 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | guedoloco@hotmail.com |
| Duration Product Used: | 2 Years |
| Price Paid: | $60 |
| Purchased At: | ebay |
| Strengths: | Has oh, something like 100 years of experience backing it's design. Made of steel and leather. People will think you're some kind of he-man for riding such an archaic looking saddle. |
| Weaknesses: | Heavy. Yeah, big fizz. |
| Similar Products Tried: | Lots of sucky plastic padded saddles, with grooves and holes and fancy names and such. All lame. |
| Bike Setup: | Which one? I have a brooks on every one. Envy me. |
| Bottom Line: | There has been no finer saddle on the face of the earth for this guy. If I could cough up a grand or so, I'd put titanium brooks saddles on all my bikes. But that's just a nicety, steel does just fine. I started off as a heavier rider, around 230, and this is the finest saddle I have ever ridden. My saddles did break in and get more comfortable with a few weeks of riding, but even when new, were so much more comfortable than any saddle I had ridden. Now I just laugh and ride my bike. I now know the feeling of being "all day comfortable". If you've tried a bunch of saddles, and are wondering of you'll ever get comfortable, give one a try. That archaic looking saddle will grow on you when it treats you so well. |
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Submitted by
Scott
a Weekend Warrior
from Sherman Oaks
Date Reviewed: 3/18/2007 9:58:53 AM |
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| Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month |
| Price Paid: | $89 |
| Purchased At: | ebay |
| Strengths: | Looks, Quality, Comfort |
| Weaknesses: | Heavy |
| Similar Products Tried: | Specialized, Raleigh and Giant stock saddles |
| Bike Setup: | Motobecane 400 HT pretty much Stock except the seat... |
| Bottom Line: | Just started riding again after a few years...My last bike (Specialized Hardrock)was ripped off by some Hoodlum. All of the bikes that I have owned have had a piss poor saddle, causing my butt to hurt for days after a ride...NOT with this saddle. I wanted to get something a little lighter, but the reviews and heritage of this saddle had me sold. I bought the Narrow version and ust completed the first ride on my bike, 9 miles, and this brand new Brooks B17N was outstanding. Comfortable and easy on my arse. I'm sold. |
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Submitted by
joedirt24
a Cross Country Rider
from southeast pa
Date Reviewed: 3/15/2007 9:33:03 AM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | beaver valley |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $160 |
| Purchased At: | chainreactioncycles.com |
| Strengths: | Awesome looking I got the Ti version. forgiving.craftsmanship A++ |
| Weaknesses: | Maybe maintenance no worse then washing your bike. |
| Bike Setup: | Dos Niner, raceface deus seatpost, hope stem, salsa riser bars |
| Bottom Line: | I built this bike wanting comfort and quality. Seen good reviews about. I just got back into biking after a 4-5yr lay off. The 1st day of use my butt hurt a little. After the 1st day I can ride all day everyday. No pain or discomfort A+++.Just make sure you get a tin of proofhide |
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Submitted by
James
a Cross Country Rider
from Balko, OK USA
Date Reviewed: 3/6/2007 8:23:30 PM |
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| FavoriteTrail: | Palo Duro |
| Duration Product Used: | 3 months |
| Price Paid: | $51 |
| Purchased At: | Nashbar |
| Strengths: | Quality leather that would last for a long time. |
| Weaknesses: | Terrible break in period. Heavy. Very unforgiving |
| Similar Products Tried: | Vetta saddle |
| Bike Setup: | |