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- Extremely stiff due to a 24mm high profile
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Submitted by
Grant
a Weekend Warrior
from Sydney, Australia
Date Reviewed: March 21, 2008 | | Favoriate Trail: | Menai, Sparrow Hill | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | Phantom Cycles | | Strengths: | lightweight for size | | Weaknesses: | soft alloy dents very easily, customer service from distributor | | Similar Products Used: | Crossmax SX, 819s, 521s | | Bike Setup: | Santa Cruz Nomad | | Bottom Line: | They might be good DH race wheels for sponsored riders who don't have to buy new rims when they smash them up but for a rider like me they aren't the right choice. I was sketpical of the light weight and heavy grinding at the rim join when i bought them but went for them anyway. I dented the rear rim on the first ride and the front rim a few rides later. The tyres held on fine though. After showing the bike shop it took the distributor nearly a year to replace the rims, by which time i'd already bought a set of Crossmax SX wheels. I gave the wheels built up with the new 6.1s away. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Andrew
a Weekend Warrior
from Akl, NZ
Date Reviewed: March 8, 2008 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | They look good when new.. | | Weaknesses: | ..just don't expect them to stay that way for long.
Two days of trail riding and a bit of freeriding and my rear has 3 sizeable dents, another 3 or so smaller ones, a small flat spot and its slightly out of true. I don't case/do drops to flat or anything silly like that. I've ridden the same trails/jumps/structures (and bigger stuff) with the rims listed below and have never had a problem, so I don't believe its my riding. They're not exactly cheap either. | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic 721, Atomlab GI | | Bike Setup: | Demo 7 | | Bottom Line: | Not suitable for freeride/downhill, and probably a bit heavy to be a trail rim. I can't reccomend these at all, don't waste your money. Read the other reviews here and buy something else, like a Mavic 721/729 (as I suspect I will be very soon).
Bottom line: they're rubbish. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Bill
a Downhiller
from Sydney
Date Reviewed: October 13, 2007 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | came on bke | | Strengths: | pinch flat resistant, soft enough to not smash the rim on rockbeds. | | Weaknesses: | dents, need a tubeless version | | Similar Products Used: | 729 | | Bike Setup: | orange 224 | | Bottom Line: | i only use these rims for raceday, replace them mabye one a season. Perfect for racing, although suggest a stronger rim for training | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
scoots
a
from usa
Date Reviewed: August 27, 2007 | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$150.00 | | Purchased At: | ebay | | Strengths: | light weight
Excelent pinch flat resistance
looks good | | Weaknesses: | i am a all-mountain lite rider so no problems yet.
no drops over 2 feet. | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 321
| | Bike Setup: | 2004 Heckler Marz Z1, Fox DHX 5.0, XT brakes, CK headset, XO rear der, XT front der, X9 shifters | | Bottom Line: | I will say, for a heavy duty x-country rider. These rims are lite and strong. I don't do anything close to downhill so I can't say how they hold up to big hits or drops. I would say buy these rims for lite all-mountain riding. My friend who turned me on to these rims has a few minor dings, however maybe a slight bend is better than a cracked rim? | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Blair
a Downhiller
from Banff, Alberta, Canada
Date Reviewed: August 18, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Mount 7, Kicking Horse | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$70.00 | | Purchased At: | Shop I work at | | Strengths: | Light, Look good, Very pinch flat resistant (I've run ~10psi through rock gardens and down Kicking Horse), seem to stay true fairly well. | | Weaknesses: | Rim walls dent super easy like everybody else is saying
Changing tires is a pain but the rims are so flat resistant I haven't had to yet this year. | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic ex729, Atomlab Trailpimps | | Bike Setup: | Commencal Mini DH | | Bottom Line: | So... to start with, if you're going to buy these, you have to treat them as being disposable downhill rims. Expect to change them at least once a season.
That said, I'm going to buy another pair next year (unless I go tubeless) because they are really light, and I have mangled the rim walls but not flatted yet. Nothing pisses me off more in the middle of a run than flatting so I don't particularly care that my rims are taking on some damage... especially when you consider that 15psi is about the maximum that I run.
I'm a relatively clean rider but have hit these full force into a lot of rocks and I'm stoked on them. If you're somebody who is usually hard on rims you might want to look for something else.
I'm giving these a good rating because I knew that they were going to be 'disposable' when I bought them, but the other qualities made up for that by far as far as I'm concerned.
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Ryan
a Downhiller
from Calgary, AB, Canada
Date Reviewed: August 8, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Silver Star bike park | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Down Cycles | | Strengths: | - Light
- Flat-spotting could help prevent flats | | Weaknesses: | - Flat-spots like that's its job
- Expensive
- Terrible tolerance control | | Bike Setup: | 2006 Iron Horse Sunday Elite, fully stock, except for super thin DH tubes, Soft 888 springs, and 300 lb/in DHX springs. | | Bottom Line: | Think back to the last time you hit something really, really hard, expected your wheel to be destroyed, and - to your complete amazement - your wheel was not only intact, but untouched.
If you run the FR 6.1D, the incident you just recalled will be the last time that will ever happen.
I'm 160 lbs, smooth, and, frankly, a complete chicken. I'm a downhill sissy. Even with two Soft springs in my 888, very little compression damping, and the bottom-out boost turned completely off, I've still only bottomed my fork once. I run my Minions (2.7 F, 2.5 R) at 30-35 psi, which should be *plenty* for me. I run tubes that are as thin as ultra-light cross-country tubes (250g for a DH-width tube) and I've never flatted, yet, somehow, my rims have small to moderate dings all over them.
If this wasn't bad enough, the tolerance control is terrible. My rims are undersized and I can change any downhill tire by hand (I've tried Intense, Maxxis, and Kenda). My girlfriend had the same rims from the same season of production and the same tires (not the same models, but the very same tires) were so tight on hers that her rims and tires were destroyed in the process of changing her tires. I'm talking three-bent-metal-levers-and-a-hole-punched-in-the-rim tight. To the credit of the LBS (Bow Cycle), she got 'em replaced with Mavic 729s and life has been good since...for her.
I'm not even hard enough on my wheels to evaluate whether they're stiff or laterally strong, but I suspect they're not.
Think of every positive characteristic a rim could possibly have. These are light, but that's their only virtue. Given the lack of strength and narrower than DH-average width, though, it's not even fair to call these "light", since it's more appropriate to compare them to light freeride rims that typically weigh 10 to 60 grams less.
So, these are either overpriced, overweight, and somewhat fragile all-mountain to light freeride rims or they're overpriced, narrow, slightly light, and astoundingly fragile downhill rims.
There is not a single way in which these rims are superior to products from DT's competitors. Check out something like a Mavic EX729 or EX823, WTB LaserDisc FR or DH, or, well, pretty much anything else. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jordan
a Downhiller
from Glenview, illinois, USA
Date Reviewed: July 31, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Whistler A-Line | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$45.00 | | Strengths: | Looks good. | | Weaknesses: | Side walls are weak as hell. Flat spots turn up from riding over a curb. | | Similar Products Used: | Sun single track, Sun double wide, | | Bike Setup: | Santa cruz Vp-Free, 888rc2x va, Truvativ Holzfeller, Avid Code, Sram X.0 | | Bottom Line: | Before I bought dt swiss rims i looked on the website and saw bad reviews i thought people were just stupid and cased on everything with no air pressure. I was rong. They really suck. I brought them to whistler on my vp-free and i took them on freight train and they looked brand new when i got off the lift. I started down freight train and after the little ladder drop 2 ft. Smooth Landing. The group i was riding with stoped the weight for everyone and some one looked at my back wheel and said how did you do that. I said Do What? I looked at my back wheel and the rim was crushed in three spots. But paint was not removed. So nothing hit them the just suck. LISTEN TO MY REVIEW SAVE YOUR SELF AND NEVER BUY THIS RIM. DT-SWISS makes good hubs! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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Nick
a Downhiller
from Nelson
Date Reviewed: July 24, 2007 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | came on bike | | Strengths: | um they are light and look cool | | Weaknesses: | they are like marshmellows, dint, fold in and bend. ive had these for about 3 months and i already need a new rear | | Bike Setup: | ironhorse sunday team | | Bottom Line: | if your a hardcore racer you could use these rims for race only. but if not dont expect them to ladt long | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Pierluc Richer
a Downhiller
from Quebec, Canada
Date Reviewed: June 30, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Q-cup | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$120.00 | | Strengths: | None | | Weaknesses: | Everything... i just got this rim on a DT440hub and after 3 hours riding it with 45psi its cracked at 3 places ( nipples ) and the weld is opening, a lot of flat spot too..
Its still spinning straight enough and holding... | | Bottom Line: | Never buy it... i knew this rim was really bad but not that bad
Why cant i give 0 chilis ? | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kev
a Downhiller
from Ireland
Date Reviewed: May 21, 2007 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | CRC | | Strengths: | The are fairly light | | Weaknesses: | The are like butter, Dent and ding really easily | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 729 | | Bike Setup: | Giant Glory, 888 RC2X, Fox DHX5 | | Bottom Line: | Dont buy these or make sure they are 2007 version. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Shaun OConnor
a Racer
from Austalia
Date Reviewed: April 8, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | loops | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$70.00 | | Purchased At: | WWW.FORTHERIDERS.COM | | Strengths: | Excelent pinch flat resistance due to soft side walls | | Weaknesses: | soft side walls | | Similar Products Used: | mag30,mavic 721 | | Bike Setup: | V10, mantiou travis,MRP,X9,SAINT MAXXIS TYRES | | Bottom Line: | THE BEST RACERS RIM BUILT BECAUSE IT WILL JUST DING INSTEAD OF FLATTING HOWEVER FOR A WEEKEND WARIOR IT IS NOT A GOOD CHOICE | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
none none
a Downhiller
from Austria
Date Reviewed: March 5, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Schladming | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$150.00 | | Purchased At: | whereever | | Strengths: | They are initially smooth and round. | | Weaknesses: | They are so weak I won't do a 4 meter drop with 'em unless when planning to end my endevours on earth. Even the Mavic XC rims last longer than these. Spend like 3 hours last saturday bending out the bashed places and truing the tires. Anyway so much for "Swiss Quality". They should team up with Microsoft under the moto: "The customers are our beta- testers"! | | Similar Products Used: | Have had Mavic XC717 (XC - like in cross country) and abused them for street and free rides. They lasted for almost 2 years. | | Bike Setup: | SX Trail 2007 with lots of goodies. | | Bottom Line: | Do not buy 'em unless they are for your grandma who is only riding to church on Sunday. :) | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jonah
a Downhiller
from Port Angeles, WA
Date Reviewed: October 1, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Stays relatively true, light | | Weaknesses: | dents and flatspots easily | | Bike Setup: | Vp-Free | | Bottom Line: | I put a significant dent in the rear rim on the first ride and have continued to find new dents and flat spots since. The front seems fine, but the rear is too light for moderate freeride/ downhill riding. I have had the same experience as many of the other reviewers. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
James
a Downhiller
from Denver Co, usa
Date Reviewed: August 20, 2006 | | Favoriate Trail: | all od Keystone | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | too much | | Strengths: | Light weight, they look nice at first | | Weaknesses: | I have been down hilling on these once, I am light weight and know the meaning of finesse and I put 3 dents in the rear rim. not just flat spots, inverted dents. considering how much these rims cost, I expected alot more. | | Similar Products Used: | Single tracks, varius Mavic, MTX, Arrow. | | Bike Setup: | V10 | | Bottom Line: | These rims are pieces of junk. If you are a racer who can afford new rims every other race then go for it, they are light considering their size and profile. For every one else, DO NOT waste your money on these rims. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Nohbody
a Downhiller
from Issaquah
Date Reviewed: July 31, 2006 | | Favoriate Trail: | exit38 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$65.00 | | Purchased At: | Online | | Strengths: | Looks like a quality rim | | Weaknesses: | 1 day at Whistler (Crank Worx) destroyed this rim. Destroy = folded the side wall in multiple places. The idiot DT Swiss rep informed me that this was a race rim (read: lack of strength). Exact words: "Man, its a race rim...its meant to be raced...like ONCE". My buddy's rim 6.1d folded in the same way. | | Similar Products Used: | Single Track rear rim last a whole season at Whistler | | Bike Setup: | VP-Free, DHX 5.0, blah blah | | Bottom Line: | This rim is crap.
Save some $$ and get a double track or single track.
Or spend the same amount and get a 729.
Product: 1 chili
Cust Service (Rep in DT Swiss tent): 1 chili | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
steve
a Downhiller
from squamish bc
Date Reviewed: July 1, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | came with bike | | Strengths: | they look nice and very exspensive and also look well built. | | Weaknesses: | I purchased a vp free and up graded to the spx fr kit for many reasons one for the rims. So far I have damaged the rear rim in 2 places. I would think these would be a little stronger. | | Bike Setup: | ano slate vp free fox 40 dhx 5.0 xt components | | Bottom Line: | I would not recomened purchaseing this rim. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
D. McNeill
a Downhiller
from Australia
Date Reviewed: January 21, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Fairly light and looks good (before you start using them). | | Weaknesses: | These rims are way too soft. I've trashed the rear one in less than a month and the front isn't far behind. Denting a front rim is definitely a first for me. I run skinny 2.1" XC tubes in 2.5" DH tyres and I've never hit these rims hard enough to puncture but I've folded the rim sidewall over in 3 places. Weak!
They're also expensive. | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic 721 & WTB Dual Duty | | Bike Setup: | 2006 Iron Horse Sunday Elite | | Bottom Line: | These rims are rubbish... avoid them. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kent Patterson
a Downhiller
from North Vancouver, Canada
Date Reviewed: January 11, 2006 | | Favoriate Trail: | Boogyman | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | - Light
- Looks good | | Weaknesses: | - Flat spots galore
- Weak sides | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic 321 and 729 | | Bike Setup: | VP Free with Fox 40RC, SRAM9 | | Bottom Line: | I am really unhappy with this rim from Santa Cruz as it came stock on my new bike, not to mention the crap hub (WTB) that came with the wheel (Crapped out last ride). Bike received in late Sept., with aboout 10-15 rides, I have 5 major dents/flat spots in the rims. I had Mavic 321s for the last 7 years and only had one flat spot and no folded side wall on the rim. And I am a far better/smoother ride today. Another review mentioned this issue? Is there something amis? | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Jon
a
from Wichita
Date Reviewed: November 8, 2005 | | Favoriate Trail: | Urban, skatepark | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Everything! This thing is the best I've seen yet. It is plain strong. Hard to flat spot, EXTREMELY hard to bend, yet very easy to true up to near perfect (within 1mm up and down trueness). Literally. Also easy to get tire off. This rim rocks. And it's very light. | | Weaknesses: | Ummm...it is sorta more $moola$ then other rims. | | Bike Setup: | Specialized 05 P.3, Fox Vanilla R fork set to 100mm, Easton Monkeybar, EA70 post, Vice Stem, Holzfeller cranks, Specialized 06 Lo' Pro Mag pedals, Specialized SL BMX seat, ODI lock-ons, Avid 06 Juicy Seven 8" rear brake, cheap front wheel, Chris King Rear SS Disk rear hub with DT spokes, nipples and this DT FR rim, Maxxis Holy Rollers 2.4 | | Bottom Line: | I beat the crap outta my Ditchwitches (like Rhyno's) and I wanted a new hub anyway so I built up this rim on a Chris King SS disk rear hub for my P.3. I've cased many hard things with this rim, and actually hit the rim on things due to low tire pressure. And what do I get? An almost perfectly trued rim. It is sooo easy to work with! Easy to get my tires off too. I've got only good things to say about this rim. If you ride hard, and want to ride light, here's your next rims. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Treky ---
a Weekend Warrior
from Bristol
Date Reviewed: October 8, 2005 | | Favoriate Trail: | forest fo dean | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$70.00 | | Purchased At: | LBS | | Strengths: | Damn nice, stays very true. | | Weaknesses: | Got a flat spot for some reason, cant see what ive done to get this :S | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 321 | | Bike Setup: | Trek bruiser 1
Rock shox Pike
black spire chain device
Avid juicy 5s
race face bars adn stem
crank bros 50 50 pedals | | Bottom Line: | A very nice rim, stays very true, although the misterious flat spot is a bit worrying | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Colin
a
from Santa Monica, CA
Date Reviewed: September 18, 2005 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Strengths: | Light, I guess | | Weaknesses: | WEAK rim sidewall! Dented, flattened, and finally completely folded the sidewall of the rim flat...this was on the front just from landing in the flats...it wasn't even a hard landing. | | Bike Setup: | Pimped Jackal | | Bottom Line: | I dented the rear wheel on my second ride by not quite clearing a loading dock bunnyhop, and I thought it must have been a fluke deal and that maybe I just didn't have enough air pressure. Then the next ride I knocked the front wheel completely out of true. A week later I completely folded the side wall flat on the front wheel. VERY DISAPPOINTED! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Toby Efthimio
a Downhiller
from Brisbane, QLD, Australia
Date Reviewed: July 11, 2005 | | Favoriate Trail: | cairns | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Purchased At: | private sale | | Strengths: | its hard to label any strenghts about this product. one thing it does have going for it is that it doesnt appear to come out of true easily. it also looks good if that means anything. although i guess its light. | | Weaknesses: | for a rim that costs almost twice of that of my old ryno lites, it was nowhere near as strong. this rim came with my v10 i bought and within about a month of solid riding it was desroyed. every ride i went on i put about 5 new dints in the sidewalls, which are thin and weak. the rim kinked at the valve and eventually cracked where it kinked. the paintwork is also not a very good job as it is very easily scatched off. it flatspots easily and i had an almost square wheel by the time it snapped. | | Similar Products Used: | sun rims ryno lites, sun rims mammoth, mavic 321's, sun rims mag 30, various other quality rims. | | Bike Setup: | 2003 v10, 2004 888's, sram compontents, ethirteen quide ect. | | Bottom Line: | sorry DT Swiss. for a company reknown for its high quality products. this is one product i cannot reccomend. i rode it....i broke it. it may be an ok rim for anybody who does xc and light freeride but not for what i used it for. anybody who is heavy on their bike parts dont go for this rim, its soft. and costs alot. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Matt Arbe
a Weekend Warrior
from Kamloops BC
Date Reviewed: May 23, 2005 | | Favoriate Trail: | pinkstarfish | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | bikeroom.com | | Strengths: | Stayed true 1st 20 hard rides - that's alot. Tires easy on and off. Nice size | | Weaknesses: | none yet | | Similar Products Used: | Sun Double/single track. Mavic EM321 | | Bike Setup: | Ellsworth Dar | | Bottom Line: | Bought a wheelset using these rims. I needed something bigger & stronger than Singletracks/Mavic 219(now called XM321)but not all the way to Doubletraks etc. What a great wheelset Really like the rims after 50hrs | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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