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Description:DT Swiss is the only manufacturer in the world to produce every part of the wheel in-house, including their new line of rims. The XR 4.1d MTB disc rim utilizes a special welding process called SBWT (strength boost welding technology), which strengthens the point where the aluminum ends come together. This results in a truer, rounder and ultimately stronger wheel. All DT Swiss rims feature perfectly adjusted stainless steel eyelets, symmetrical and CNC machined sidewalls, wear indicators and are available in 28, 32 and 36 hole configurations in both black and silver.
DT Swiss rims are easily serviceable through the DT Swiss worldwide dealer network, and are 100% produced and hand finished in Switzerland.
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Submitted by
juan
a Cross Country Rider
from park city, UT
Date Reviewed: November 18, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Climb a dead tree | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Strengths: | Lightweight, strength | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | everything | | Bike Setup: | Titus Racer X. XTR/XO. 240 disc hubs | | Bottom Line: | One of the best wheels I've ever used! | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
bernard
a Cross Country Rider
from CA
Date Reviewed: September 14, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | too many to list | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$70.00 | | Strengths: | Very light and strong, of course keep in mind the tensile strength to weight ratio, and its intended use. | | Weaknesses: | None so far. | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic x117, x317, Crossride wheelset, DT Swiss X430 series. | | Bike Setup: | Stumpjumper FSR | | Bottom Line: | Very light, strong, and durable rims. It's been abused for a few months now and its still true. Mostly XC riding with a few jumps here and there. I have these rims laced to 240s hubs, with 1.8 DT spokes, and it comes out to as a very nice package that is durable yet still affordable. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Alex
a Cross Country Rider
from Churchville, NY USA
Date Reviewed: June 28, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | Hunter's Creek, E-ville, | | Duration Product Used: | 2 Years | | Price Paid: |
$79.00 | | Strengths: | very stiff & light, durable finish | | Weaknesses: | none so far | | Similar Products Used: | Maviv x223, '06 Mavic Crossmax ST's | | Bike Setup: | '04 Turner Burner, Marz. MX Pro ETA, Marathon S, King headset, Hayes HFX9's, eggbeaters, XT everything else | | Bottom Line: | Set up with 15/17 spokes, King disc hubs, these wheels are just as stiff and slightly lighter than my Crossmax ST's. I'm 210 lbs, ride mostly eastern rootsy, rocky singletrack, no big jumps. Wheels still as true as 2 years ago. The set transformed my old '05 Stumpjumper FSR in lateral stiffness when they replaced my x223's/XT set, then once on the Turner they really shined with such a better platform. I swap back & forth with Crossmax ST's and they both feel great. Got some IRC Mythos and the quicker acceleration over the old x223/Trailbears is stupifying. Guess I learned about rotational weight, eh? These DT's are as stiff/durable as Mavics x7** series disc wheels or moreso for very similar $$. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
mikeyboy
a Weekend Warrior
from Palos Verdes, Ca.
Date Reviewed: February 18, 2007 | | Favoriate Trail: | The one I rode today! | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | Performance | | Strengths: | They seem very durable, lightweight, they came true. | | Weaknesses: | I believe them to have a design flaw for heavier riders! Or tube pressure?? See the "bottom line" for an explanation... | | Similar Products Used: | Oh a little of this and a little of that. These are my first "skinny" mtb. rims though. | | Bike Setup: | Iron Horse Hollowpoint MKIII Team model. | | Bottom Line: | So, these rims came with my bike setup. I run DT SWISS COMPETITION 1.8/2.0 spokes and DT SWISS 340 hubs. So in only my second time riding my new bike equiped with these rims, I went flat 3 consecutive times back to back!! I couldn't even get my ride in.
I weigh 210 lbs. and usually run a tire (tube) pressure of about 40-50 lbs. What I discovered when I removed the tube from the tire and tried to inflate it was that the flat occured on the RIM SIDE. What it looked like was a tiny slit where the tube sat on each of the spoke holes. Of course I had a rubber liner on the rim itself but to no avail!! What I did was to run a Velox® cloth tape strip inside the rim instead of the rubber strip. That seems to have solved the problem for now even if at a slight weight disantvantage.
So what is it? I think because the nipples on the spokes are recessed rather than right at the surface like on a fat rim, you get the tube being pushed down into that empty space on each spoke creating a pinching effect. Then it's only a matter of time before one blows. It occured on the back tire which leads me to believe perhaps it was my weight (which really isn't THAT much) combined with tube pressure?...that caused the "pinch" flats. ? It happened with thin ultralight tubes as well as standard ones. I tried both. (remember, these "pinches" are happening on the spoke side).
I have never ever experienced this before and usually get a flat maybe once every 5-6 months. Maybe. Needless to say I was a bit discouraged with this past attempt to ride my new rig only to be pulling my hair out with that lovely hissing sound about 10 mins. into each ride. UGGHH!!!!! I ride all mountain with some 2-4 foot drops, lots of fast downhill fireroads with all sorts of cross country, but all of this happened while climbing... ON THE STREET!! So it's not the riding style.
DT... Address this please!! Otherwise, a great wheel which I would like to use.
Only 2 (fair) chilis for this "flaw". I feel bad doing it but I feel that if you are a heavier rider, you may be at risk with these rims unless you run a cloth tape strip inside. The lighter riders may not have any problems at all. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
James
a Cross Country Rider
from SLC, UT, USA
Date Reviewed: July 26, 2006 | | Favoriate Trail: | Most anything in Moab | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$80.00 | | Strengths: | Light weight, easy tubeless conversion | | Weaknesses: | Soft metal, out of true from factory, too small diameter from factory | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic 317, 517, 717, 721, 321, Sun Singletrack, Rynolite | | Bike Setup: | Ellsworth ID, 240 front hub, Hadley 108 rear, SuperComp spokes, XTR discs, etc. | | Bottom Line: | I read all these great reviews and bought these based on them. I wanted a light rim that was just a hair stronger than my Mavic 717's which still did a good job after being beat on for over a year, 5 days a week.
I'm 150lbs and ride aggressive XC on this bike, AKA on the woosey side of all mountain. Fast in and over rocks, drops up to ~2 feet, occasional smooth jumps.
I really wanted to like these rims, unfortunately one came almost ¼” out of true and the other was 1/8” out. Also, when I went to lace them up I found out that my spokes were a couple mm longer than ideal. I had used 2 different spoke calculators including DT’s own. The front was 100% DT parts. Getting them true, with the proper dish, and perfect high tension was next to impossible. I spent 3 times as much time building these as any other wheel I’ve built. It was a major disappointment but at least I had nice light wheels and I figured they’d be at least as good as my old quality wheelhouse built 717/XT wheels that lasted a solid season.
I always recheck my wheels after my first ride, just to make sure they are still holding tension. These were still fine so I thought I might have avoided any unstable wheel issues. I was wrong, within two weeks the front(which was the worst to build) started going out of true on rocky rides or after sideways bunny hops. I had to work on it at least once a week. In about two months I had run out of threads on one side of the wheel, so now I have to keep it offset to keep it even close to true. I know I should have used shorter spokes but buying new DT supercomps are not cheap. I have gotten two bent sidewalls in the front, which I’ve never done with any front rim before. The rear actually did a bit better but after about two months, it too won’t stay true and keeps getting bent sidewalls. These must not be heat treated properly or something because I’ve never had this level of problems with any wheel I’ve ever had. I haven’t even bothered switching to tubeless which I love because I have to pull the tires off too much for trueing. To say I’m hating these rim would be an understatement.
I tried to get some help at a race from the DT people but they didn’t do squat for me. I thought about stepping up to 5.1’s but I’m boycotting DT for a while, until I’m sure they have their QA taken care of. These rims never should have left the factory. I guess if you get a good set they are great, but I hope nobody else gets a set like mine. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Stephen
a Cross Country Rider
from ypsilanti, mi, usa
Date Reviewed: June 11, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$80.00 | | Purchased At: | bike shop | | Strengths: | lightweight and strong. ability to take high tensions. | | Weaknesses: | slightly narrow, so it is hard to run wider tires at lower pressures without having them roll. | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 217,517,717 | | Bottom Line: | These rims are a wheelbiulders dream. They come true and round allowing the wheelbiulder to get the strongest wheel possible from the rim. I love the fact that they allow higher spoke tensions than most other rims. A bit expensive but worth the extra cost for the quality. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
swarz
a Weekend Warrior
from Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
Date Reviewed: April 27, 2006 | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Price Paid: |
$80.00 | | Purchased At: | Bike ride, Hobart. | | Strengths: | super strong, fast, reliable, only been back to builder for a retune once mainly due to spoke stretch. have dinged back wheel slightly but didn't get a pinch flat, or any punctures for that matter. | | Weaknesses: | None that I've found. | | Similar Products Used: | mavic x118 that came on old bike. (97 Avanti Barracuda) | | Bike Setup: | originally on Avanti hardtail, now on Intense Spider, XT, thompson. | | Bottom Line: | Originally bought these to go on old hardtail with v brakes, built them up with XT disc hubs and DT spokes.
Despite giving them a hard time, dinged the back one up very slightly, they still run true and tight. Haven't even had one puncture, not even when I dented the back rim, maybe it's luck but maybe not either???
Use them on new bike that I built up, now with XT discs and still run as well but now with rear suspension too.
Overall, never had any dramas with them at all and several friends have them too with zero problems either.
If you are looking for rims that are both disc and rim compatible, tough, low maintenance, stiff and reasonably light, have a look at these! | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
phil
a Cross Country Rider
from houston, texas,usa
Date Reviewed: April 19, 2006 | | Favoriate Trail: | camden park | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Strengths: | swiss made, extremely durable, reinforced eyelets. | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 717 split at the weld seam. | | Bike Setup: | xt disk hubs, dt db spokes, dt xr 4.1d rims, fire xc pro 2.1(front) & 1.8(rear) | | Bottom Line: | I'm usually riding fast paced xc, but on occassions I hit drops and jumps. I have missed landings several times with the rear rim (with a 1.8 inch tire) hitting the lip on doubles. These rims are bullet proof and light. 300 miles on these rims and still running true. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
trex
a Weekend Warrior
from Nevada City, Ca, US
Date Reviewed: July 30, 2005 | | Favoriate Trail: | Beyer's lake trail/Loon lake | | Duration Product Used: | 1 Year | | Price Paid: |
$60.00 | | Purchased At: | molokai | | Strengths: | nice extruded design, good aluminum,eyelets | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | all sorts of mavics, the next stiffest rims and quality | | Bike Setup: | ran a pair on my heckler, 2.3-2.4 tires, 8' front rotor lots of granite and loose scorching | | Bottom Line: | gotta speak up and echo the rim's ability to take high tension. and while we are talking DT Swiss, these were laced by me using the their supercomp spokes and alloy nips. i did not expect them to hold up to heavy free ride abuse. no stress risers, nothing. my front tracks great and both still sing an even 'stand'ing song. pretty damn good for a year. | Value Rating: Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
JD
a Cross Country Rider
from SC
Date Reviewed: March 10, 2005 | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$200.00 | | Purchased At: | Black Dog Bikes | | Strengths: | Strong and Light. Put them through numerous rock gardens and off a couple of drops and they haven't given yet. Also feel, they just seem to roll smooth and feel good and stiff in turns, going into and out of | | Weaknesses: | None so far, aside from scratching, or beauty marks | | Similar Products Used: | Bontrager Selects (sucked), Mavic can't remembers, and SunRims | | Bike Setup: | Yeti FRO stock except for DT Swiss Onyx Front and rear hubs, Avid mech disc brakes, and rims obviously. | | Bottom Line: | Great Rim. Highly recommend giving them a shot. And cannot beat the price. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Charles Coker
a Cross Country Rider
from Austin
Date Reviewed: August 28, 2004 | | Favoriate Trail: | rocky and technical | | Duration Product Used: | 6 months | | Purchased At: | Hammerheadbikes | | Strengths: | very tough, light and stiff
able to take LOTS of tension | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | everything | | Bike Setup: | hammerhead 100x | | Bottom Line: | We have pretty much switched to these rims exclusively unless we are building a serious set of FR/DH wheels
they are 430g on my scale on average,very consistent weights.
They will take a lot of tension, contrary to what I have heard from some wheelbuilders that high tension doesn't make a more snappy wheel, it absolutely does. These rims build up a very stiff wheel that accelerates fast and holds a line in the rough stuff.
awesome product
works great with both Stan's strips and the DT version of the same | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
freerangehuman
a Cross Country Rider
from texas
Date Reviewed: January 20, 2004 | | Favoriate Trail: | RCP | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Price Paid: |
$80.00 | | Purchased At: | ebay charity auction | | Strengths: | Look good, build well, true decent, disc version can be used for rim brakes or disc, good price, tough enough. | | Weaknesses: | Scratch easy, lotta vertical hops when building up...
| | Similar Products Used: | mavic 517, 217, 121
bonty mustang asym | | Bike Setup: | brodie ht | | Bottom Line: | Got these at an ebay imba charity auciton for $80 a pair shipped, about the same price as 517's. They weigh a little bit more but if that translates to durability its fine with me. 517's break eyelets easy and these DT's seem a little more stout but otherwise pretty much look like the 517's.
My frame doesnt have a disc tab in the back so I tried a rim brake on the disc rim and it works fine. The only difference between the disc and non disc, is that the non disc sidewall has been machined and polished. After 3 months under brake pads my disc rims are too now. I was a little worried at first but they stop fine.
So far, 3 months of service with no problems at all. Normal rim tape doesnt seem to fit so get some extra wide tape and trim it up after applying. Your tubes will thank you for it. Tire changes are a breeze with either hutch pythons or schwalbe bj's, with the schwabes you dont need a tire level, just pinch it, double it over, and pull towards you. I might post back in another 6 months if anything changes. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Kamran Scopp
a Cross Country Rider
from California
Date Reviewed: November 11, 2003 | | Favoriate Trail: | Boggs MT. the whole thing | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Purchased At: | Universal Cycles | | Strengths: | They look good | | Weaknesses: | They seem thinner than Mavic 317 | | Similar Products Used: | Mavic 317 | | Bike Setup: | Maverick ml-7,CKISO ,avid mechs,Sram XO,Raceface lp, Thomson stem & seatpost. | | Bottom Line: | I ordered Mavic 317's and was suprised to see that these had been used instead. I was told that they were an upgrade as the mavic's were backordered. They weigh about 30 grams mre than the mavics. I had a hell of a time getting the bead of my tire to seat properly as the rim is so thin that the hard rubber around the base or the stem took up the entire space available. After many tries I finally loosened the stem and pushed it up in the tire seated the bead inflated and retightened the stem and voila I finally got it. I hope they are strong as advertised and am a bit nervous as none seems to use/carry these rims. Until I opened the box I had never even heard of them. In a few months I'll post a follow up review. I hope my experience of them is as good as the two posts before mine. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
Mike
a Cross Country Rider
from orange county
Date Reviewed: July 8, 2003 | | Duration Product Used: | Less than 1 month | | Price Paid: |
$75.00 | | Strengths: | Awesome finish and quality, very light, have been extremely strong. | | Weaknesses: | Can be hard to find, took me awhile to find a dealer that could get them | | Similar Products Used: | mavic 317/517/219, Sun ryhno lights | | Bike Setup: | titus switchblade, fox vanilla, hope mini's, king hubs/headset, xt/xtr, thomson, easton bar | | Bottom Line: | Wow, when I first had the bike built, I had mavic 317's laced to king hubs. Well, after trashing my rear wheel, I decided to try something different. Found these and thought i'd give them a shot..............I'm sooo glad I did. They are as strong as the mavic 219 freeride rims that i have on my 2nd bike, but only 10 grams heavier than the mavic 317's they replaced!!!
I've been beating on these for about 2 months now, haven't had to touch either wheel! oh ya, I'm 205 pounds. Awesome rim | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
Submitted by
jwb
a Cross Country Rider
from st.paul, MN
Date Reviewed: June 23, 2003 | | Favoriate Trail: | Test of Metal, BC | | Duration Product Used: | 3 months | | Strengths: | Finish & quality. Their Swiss! | | Weaknesses: | none | | Similar Products Used: | I have used all the Cross Country and semi freeride rims from Mavic. X317, X3.1, x223, & F219 | | Bike Setup: | Which One, Which Day? Wheels are DT 240 Disc hubs, DT supercomp spokes, silver alloy nipples, DT XR4.1d rims. All Black with Red decals. | | Bottom Line: | Well, as a former mechanic and wheelbuilder, I am not into all the factory built wheel systems. I like to have simple components that can be replaced and/or serviced in any bike shop in the US. After trying lots of Mavic rims with moderate success, I decided to try the new DT rims. Whoa! These things take high tensions better than any rim I have used/built. To date, this is the best combination of light weight with reliable durability and performance. The next time you tweak an X317, try the DT rims. | | Value Rating:Overall Rating: |
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